This is no secret, that EO & RC does wrong calling priests "Father", when God directly commanded "Do not call any man Father... Or Rabbi". Priests are presbyters & teachers. Through Paul, we call priests "father".Fathers in Christ =/= Fathers of their own authority and prototypos.
No matter what explanation or apologetics are given, this is directly DEFYING God. God said "Do NOT CALL any man FATHER". Period.
So do all of you want to call an individual that murdered Christians in cold blood, then had an enlightening moment, then directly taught AGAINST what Yeshua taught us, to call men "father". Is that a disciple?You don't understand how to reconcile apparent contradictions, and so you erroneously declare one thing false and another true. This is a most illogical and close-minded way of thinking. Your argument is of the same ilk as Christ Myth Theorists, 9/11 Truthers and Intelligent Design proponents.
I feel many times people take Paul as an apostle because that's what they've been told to think. Not because they consider what he actually taught.
"Having always have done so" doesn't make it right. Jesus said do not call men "fahter", and through Paul, we call men father.
So no, I wouldn't say Paul was an apostle.
Of course, history is written by the vicars, and the vicars made him one. But God did not choose him while he was flesh on Earth.
Perhaps some would say I have deeper faith issues being extremely skeptical of anything Paul teaches.
I don't think that's fair and it sort of demogogues me & my point in hypotheticals you came up with.
Jesus said "call no man Father".
You say "because of this and this" we can call people "Father".
If you believe Jesus is God, do you believe "this and this", or obey God himself?
I have no issues dealing in contradictions so long as they make sense.
But I obviously have a ton of praying to do. I seriously may be hopeless to become EO, but I'm trying. Just know that I'm not trying to be personally "in your face", but many of these issues I ask about have brewed in me for years.
My wife and I once attended a protestant church (one time) because a family friend wanted us to come to their son's play afterwards. We ended up in Sunday school. A few minutes into it they started talking about "your own personal relationship with Jesus Christ"... My reply was "but even John the Baptist wasn't worthy of untying his sandals".... Later they started literally "praying for financial help", and I asked "how can we be praying for financial help when all of us are wearing the garments from the slave labor of children in sweat shops - we have it better than most of the world".
Anyway, I was asked to leave.
That's what led into a year of some study and we ended up at an Amish/Mennonite church because I felt like a hypocrite wearing sweat shop clothes. They were a very honest bunch, very practicing in Christianity, but very "basic" is the way I'd describe it. PLAIN. no fluff. The issue there "who voted in the bible books"?. They didn't know. o...k.... I explained the EO / RC split and going back to the "Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church". They were fine by that. I asked "if they were wrong why do we use their Bible they voted"? No answer. Awesome people... I mean Awesome. But no answer.
If they did answer that God "wanted his word" untarnished and used them to deliver his message unscathed, then they'd be stuck saying the councils voted the will of the Holy Spirit.
So you see. I've been through a rut, and trust me, I could bore you guys with my story.
So that led in vast research and I watched Bishiops duking it out over Ecumenism and creating irony on the Canon.
I'm just seeking TRUTH.
Perhaps nobody will be able to explain. I'm not sure.
But please pray for me, and I will pray for guidance too.