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« on: May 08, 2011, 05:20:43 AM »

dear brothers and sisters,
please pray for us and for all who suffer for their faith.
our churches in egypt were targeted again and there are more martyrs this weekend (number uncertain).

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/four-killed-sectarian-violence-cairo-hospital-201416484.html

this was yesterday evening's vesper gospel in the coptic church:
Jn 6:16-23
Now when evening came, His disciples went down to the sea, got into the boat, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was already dark, and Jesus had not come to them. Then the sea arose because a great wind was blowing. So when they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and drawing near the boat; and they were afraid. But He said to them, "It is I; do not be afraid." Then they willingly received Him into the boat, and immediately the boat was at the land where they were going.

it reminds all of us that when we are afraid and rowing in the dark in a terrible storm, that Jesus comes to us, where we are and leads us in the way to eternal life.
Lord have mercy and give us strength and courage.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2011, 05:48:56 AM »

Lord have mercy!
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2011, 06:55:33 AM »

Military arrests 190 people in Egypt church attack
By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press – 20 mins ago
CAIRO – Egypt's military rulers have reacted swiftly to attempts to burn down a pair of churches in a Cairo slum during sectarian riots that killed 10 people by referring 190 people to military trial.
Mobs of ultraconservative Muslims from the Salafi religious trend converged on a church in the Cairo slum of Imbaba late Saturday following rumors of an interfaith romance.
Christians barricaded themselves inside and around the church and the demonstrations turned violent. Witnesses said people on rooftops fired into the crowd.
The military said the mass arrests were to deter people from threatening the nation's security. Military trials are notorious for their speed.
At least six of the dead were Muslims.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110508/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_sectarian_clashes
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2011, 08:27:22 AM »

Here is a story from CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/07/egypt.clashes/

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2011, 09:41:27 PM »

Military arrests 190 people in Egypt church attack
By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press – 20 mins ago
CAIRO – Egypt's military rulers have reacted swiftly to attempts to burn down a pair of churches in a Cairo slum during sectarian riots that killed 10 people by referring 190 people to military trial.
Mobs of ultraconservative Muslims from the Salafi religious trend converged on a church in the Cairo slum of Imbaba late Saturday following rumors of an interfaith romance.
Christians barricaded themselves inside and around the church and the demonstrations turned violent. Witnesses said people on rooftops fired into the crowd.
The military said the mass arrests were to deter people from threatening the nation's security. Military trials are notorious for their speed.
At least six of the dead were Muslims.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110508/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_sectarian_clashes

To people who know more about Egypt than I do, is this a sign that the new government in Egypt intends to support the Church (by this I of course do not mean it intends to become Orthodox, Coptic or otherwise, but will at least stop the persecution of Egyptian Christians)?
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2011, 09:57:02 PM »

Lord have mercy!

To those who have lost their lives as a result of the violence, may their memory be eternal.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 12:45:53 AM »

Military arrests 190 people in Egypt church attack
By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press – 20 mins ago
CAIRO – Egypt's military rulers have reacted swiftly to attempts to burn down a pair of churches in a Cairo slum during sectarian riots that killed 10 people by referring 190 people to military trial.
Mobs of ultraconservative Muslims from the Salafi religious trend converged on a church in the Cairo slum of Imbaba late Saturday following rumors of an interfaith romance.
Christians barricaded themselves inside and around the church and the demonstrations turned violent. Witnesses said people on rooftops fired into the crowd.
The military said the mass arrests were to deter people from threatening the nation's security. Military trials are notorious for their speed.
At least six of the dead were Muslims.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110508/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_sectarian_clashes

To people who know more about Egypt than I do, is this a sign that the new government in Egypt intends to support the Church (by this I of course do not mean it intends to become Orthodox, Coptic or otherwise, but will at least stop the persecution of Egyptian Christians)?

No, not at all.  This only means that they are saving face and acting like they are doing their job to protect us.  Mubarak did the same thing many times before, where he would arrest 100+ people only to have most of them released later after courts can't really prove them guilty.

Then you have the fact that the army really arrested those who were involved with post-incident sectarian violence.  In other words, to look good for the Muslim majority, they arrested Christians who being angered by killings went out to fight and cause strife.  So those were included in the "190" arrested.  Now, the military trials perhaps will do the opposite.  They might send all 190 to the death penalty for all we know, since it's a frightful thing to be party of a military trial.  But they don't get at the core of the problem, which are the Salafis.

There's no such thing as a democracy supported by a Muslim majority.  It will never happen.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2011, 01:18:38 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2011, 01:50:46 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2011, 02:55:32 AM »

As an afterthought, now after what happened to the Churches and Christian-owned businesses of Imbaba, Cairo yesterday, one Copt in protest said clearly on an Arabic news channel, "The Salafis now that they've been proven stupidly wrong for their claims on Kamelia Shehata had nothing else better to do but to cause mayhem here in Imbaba.  And the army today are doing nothing against the Salafis.  We're sick and tired of the January 25th revolution.  Mubarak, that thief of our country, at least made us Copts much safer than what's happening now."

Other news can be read here:

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/428926

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Saturday’s clashes came hours after a TV interview with Kamilia Shehata, a Coptic woman who some Muslims allege converted to Islam and is now being held against her will by the Church. Shehata appeared on Al-Haya, a Christian channel broadcast from the US, and said that she has not converted to Islam.

She was a major focus for Salafi activism in 2010, with several marches in Alexandria calling for her release and attacks on Coptic Pope Shenouda III. Last month Salafis held a massive protest in front of the Ministry of Defense calling for Shehata’s release. In another march they threatened to attack churches and mosques in order to free her.

Experts argue that the rise of Salafis and other Islamic factions could ignite sectarian violence in the country after the fall of former President Hosni Mubarak’s regime.

Mohamed Hassan, a prominent Salafi figure, is taking much of the blame. Hassan has, controversially, mediated a number of recent sectarian conflicts in Egypt, but is also widely seen as a provocateur.

“I want to tell Mohamed Hassan that you are the reason for all of this,” said Atef Erian, a young Copt in Imbaba who was injured in yesterday’s clashes. “Please don’t worsen the relations between Muslims and Copts with your harebrained ideas.”

“He and like-minded sheikhs were behind the whole case of Kamilia Shehata, and then he pretends to be a peaceful man seeking to bridge the differences between Muslims and Copts,” added Erian.

Arshileadis Mar Mina, a priest at the Mar Mina church, expressed his own concerns after the fighting in Imbaba. “Now we are really afraid,” he said. “They are people who are systematically attacking us and there are no police or military to protect us.”

Despite their agreement that the former president was corrupt, some Coptic voices say they felt safer under his rule.

“At least you didn’t have that nightmare where you are concerned now with protecting your family and your churches. During Mubarak we were safer,” Aziz said.

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 03:57:03 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 04:22:21 AM »

Military arrests 190 people in Egypt church attack
By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press – 20 mins ago
CAIRO – Egypt's military rulers have reacted swiftly to attempts to burn down a pair of churches in a Cairo slum during sectarian riots that killed 10 people by referring 190 people to military trial.
Mobs of ultraconservative Muslims from the Salafi religious trend converged on a church in the Cairo slum of Imbaba late Saturday following rumors of an interfaith romance.
Christians barricaded themselves inside and around the church and the demonstrations turned violent. Witnesses said people on rooftops fired into the crowd.
The military said the mass arrests were to deter people from threatening the nation's security. Military trials are notorious for their speed.
At least six of the dead were Muslims.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110508/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_sectarian_clashes

To people who know more about Egypt than I do, is this a sign that the new government in Egypt intends to support the Church (by this I of course do not mean it intends to become Orthodox, Coptic or otherwise, but will at least stop the persecution of Egyptian Christians)?

No, not at all.  This only means that they are saving face and acting like they are doing their job to protect us.  Mubarak did the same thing many times before, where he would arrest 100+ people only to have most of them released later after courts can't really prove them guilty.

Then you have the fact that the army really arrested those who were involved with post-incident sectarian violence.  In other words, to look good for the Muslim majority, they arrested Christians who being angered by killings went out to fight and cause strife.  So those were included in the "190" arrested.  Now, the military trials perhaps will do the opposite.  They might send all 190 to the death penalty for all we know, since it's a frightful thing to be party of a military trial.  But they don't get at the core of the problem, which are the Salafis.

There's no such thing as a democracy supported by a Muslim majority.  It will never happen.

Better to be under the secular but corrupt Baathist regimes of Syria (and once upon a time Egypt and Iraq), then under Islamic fundamentalism.

Just to think, Copts used to comprise 20% of the population and had 50% of the wealth in Egypt.     
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 08:35:40 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 12:54:13 PM »

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