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Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« on: May 25, 2015, 04:28:43 PM »
For some reason St. John 10:10 occurred me today. For all the talk about theosis etc. notwithstanding, I would also like to read that as talking about happiness. Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2015, 04:30:31 PM »
Does Ortgo?
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Re: Does Ortgo
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2015, 04:40:11 PM »
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2015, 04:41:28 PM »
Does Ortgo?

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2015, 04:58:32 PM »
For some reason St. John 10:10 occurred me today. For all the talk about theosis etc. notwithstanding, I would also like to read that as talking about happiness. Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
Happy?  What an odd question.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2015, 05:00:06 PM »
For some reason St. John 10:10 occurred me today. For all the talk about theosis etc. notwithstanding, I would also like to read that as talking about happiness. Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
Happy?  What an odd question.

Very unusual perhaps but not irrelevant IMO.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2015, 05:00:34 PM »
Honestly, it brings me joy, particularly when I attend the services, go to confession, and also when I say my prayers.

Debating theological minutiae:  I am generally finding that this generally has the opposite effect on me.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2015, 05:28:06 PM »
Honestly, it brings me joy, particularly when I attend the services, go to confession, and also when I say my prayers.

Debating theological minutiae:  I am generally finding that this generally has the opposite effect on me.

Agreed.  The theological minutiae debates are horribly frustrating.

There is one exception: I don't mind sparring with people who embrace ancient heresies, like liberal Protestants who like to argue Jesus want God, Jesus was married, the Gnostic scriptures are true, the canonical gospels are false, et cetera.  These people I enjoy challenging, particularly when, as is usually the case, their confused faith contains obvious contradictions (like the way Elaine Pagels, a feminist, glosses over the misogynistic aspects of the Gospel of Thomas).  I think it's important to debate those people too, so as to expose the falsehoods that underpin their belief system and set out warning beacons so the unwary don't fall into their great pit of lies.

However, debates over things like pews, organs, the orthodoxy of the Oriental Orthodox, Baroque iconography, and even debates about how best to receive comverts from zprotestantism, these just frustrate me and make me feel squeamish. 

I love talking about the liturgy and everything connected to it, but not arguing about it; the liturgy is too beautiful to have an argument about.  I also love discussing comparative theology from a loving Orthodox perspective and learning more about other religions; I find the more I learn of other faiths, the happier I am to be Orthodox, but at the same time it's also uplifting, to see the universal desire of human beings to connect with God.

However, the core of Orthodoxy, the liturgy, the music, the Jesus Prayer and other devotions, these have helped keep me alive as I have helped my parents through a very difficult time and wrestled with horrible illness, among other great sorrows.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2015, 05:34:42 PM »
Yes.  Undoubtedly.

My family (non-Orthodox) agree.


For some reason St. John 10:10 occurred me today. For all the talk about theosis etc. notwithstanding, I would also like to read that as talking about happiness. Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2015, 05:37:52 PM »
It brings me joy especially when I've grown to see Christ in people and in the children I work with.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2015, 05:38:13 PM »
Honestly, it brings me joy, particularly when I attend the services, go to confession, and also when I say my prayers.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2015, 12:32:41 AM »
Does Orthodoxy make you happy?

Yes! I love the logic by which the readings resonate with each other during the liturgical year. I value the fellowship in the congregation. And as Alpo will know, the music in the Russian-Finnish tradition really is heavenly.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2015, 12:39:47 AM »
Not me.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2015, 11:21:07 AM »
With "His yoke is easy and his burden is light" sometimes I feel the "yoke" more than the "easy". So not always, but sometimes certainly.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2015, 11:24:26 AM »
For some reason St. John 10:10 occurred me today. For all the talk about theosis etc. notwithstanding, I would also like to read that as talking about happiness. Does Orthodoxy make you happy?

Yes it makes me happy because faith in Christ giving me powers.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2015, 11:29:13 AM »
Orthodoxy as a religion makes me happy, sure  8)

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2015, 11:32:02 AM »
If Orthodoxy genuinely makes you happy all the time, that's great. But don't pretend to yourself that it makes you happy when it doesn't. I think if you talk to an honest long-time Orthodox believer, he'll tell you that there are ups and downs. Strong faith is partly about transcending the vicissitudes of emotion and holding fast no matter what. Similarly, strong faith is about transcending the vicissitudes of reason, i.e. not getting caught up in all the theological and political arguments you find here, for example.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2015, 11:36:11 AM »
I certainly wouldn't fall into the "all the time" category, but when it does it is usually because of (not in spite of) the theological debates stuff.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2015, 11:39:27 AM »
I certainly wouldn't fall into the "all the time" category, but when it does it is usually because of (not in spite of) the theological debates stuff.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2015, 11:44:22 AM »
If Orthodoxy genuinely makes you happy all the time, that's great. But don't pretend to yourself that it makes you happy when it doesn't. I think if you talk to an honest long-time Orthodox believer, he'll tell you that there are ups and downs. Strong faith is partly about transcending the vicissitudes of emotion and holding fast no matter what.

Yes, the path to Christ isn't easy but it is about finding Godly joy and peace during struggles. This joy is gratitude to God in many ways. First it shows we know He is with us and we have faith in Him. Also that we see His blessings in our life and joyfully serve Him and our neighbor in love. The attitude of one's heart during family time, work, church, etc is very important.

I think you mentioned an important point, growing in faith to maintain peace in our souls during difficult times and good times.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2015, 11:47:48 AM »
What is "happy"?
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2015, 11:49:53 AM »
What is "happy"?

Good question because there is a difference between humble Godly joy that is from the Holy Spirit and unites us with Christ, and false happiness from sin and worldly desires that lead to harming the soul.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2015, 11:54:04 AM »
I would say "happy" in this context means that you feel eager to carry out your Christian obligations, like go to church, confession, fasting, almsgiving etc. For me, the answer is sometimes yes, but sometimes I admit I feel like they are just an extra weight on top of the ordinary obligations of responsible adulthood.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2015, 11:55:50 AM »
What is "happy"?

Feel free to define it yourself. I think the word has an intuitive meaning.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2015, 12:02:00 PM »
Happy, no. Content, definitely. As in, no matter how things pan out, I'm where I'm supposed to be. At the end of the day, especially if it's been one where everything has gone wrong, that's what matters.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2015, 12:02:31 PM »
What is "happy"?

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2015, 12:04:31 PM »
What is "happy"?

Good question because there is a difference between humble Godly joy that is from the Holy Spirit and unites us with Christ, and false happiness from sin and worldly desires that lead to harming the soul.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2015, 06:05:49 PM »
Generally speaking, yes. Especially the holy sacraments, byzantine chant, the fact that because of the fasting periods I'm not overweight nor alcoholic, the joy of the feasts (especially if it ends a fasting period),  meeting Orthodox people while travelling ("You're Orthodox too? So you must drink rakija/vodka/eat dinner with me/stay in/ whatever).

But sometimes I'm frustrated, especially of the mentality and the way of the services are done at my local Church, and that even when somebody wants some changes, nobody can't do it because of some "factors". And the calendar issue, it's really problem for me now. All the rest of such popular Orthodox issues as headscarves, pews etc. don't bother me too much; sometimes such things (discussions about them) give a fun too.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2015, 11:08:51 PM »
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hap·py
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adjective
1.
feeling or showing pleasure or contentment.

I don't know if I feel pleasure as a result of Orthodoxy, but I do have a feeling of contentment. I see that more as a side effect of it as opposed to the goal of it, though.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2015, 11:35:02 PM »
sometimes such things (discussions about them) give a fun too.

I find that an adorable turn of phrase ;D
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2015, 12:25:22 AM »
I'm going to avoid "happy" as that is a term I would never use on my own, and I don't consider myself a "happy" person. "Joyful", "blessed", "contented", etc. all seem more resonant for me. I feel peace and joy when I confess and receive the mysteries. As a religion it gives me something I really love and believe in to give to my wife and children. I have full confidence in the Church and in the ideals of the religious system, despite the human failings along the way. I really do love our Orthodox religion as a refuge and a bulwark against the B.S. that the world offers in the place of God.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy make you happy?
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 09:14:52 AM »
I'm with C.S. Lewis on that...

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