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Simultaneous Canadian, U.S. liturgies mark 10th anniversary

By Mary Frances Schjonberg, May 02, 2011
[Episcopal News Service] U.S. Episcopalians, Canadian Anglicans and Lutherans in both countries came together May 1 to honor the 10th anniversaries of their denominations' declarations of full communion.
Episcopal Church Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Presiding Bishop Mark Hanson, Anglican Church in Canada Archbishop Fred Hiltz and Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada National Bishop Susan Johnson participated in unique simultaneous liturgies on either side of the U.S.-Canadian border.

Johnson presided and Jefferts Schori preached at St. Paul's Anglican Church, Fort Erie, Ontario. Hanson presided and Hiltz preached at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church, Buffalo, New York (Diocese of Western New York). Both services began at 3 p.m. EDT.

The celebrations included elements of the worship services of the four denominations.

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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 02:57:42 PM »
This comes in at about an 8 on the ecumenicity meter... not too shabby...

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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 03:01:05 PM »
It really is rather impressive... though disappointing in some ways. I mean, you pretty much have every single belief system professed by any given protestant denomination contained in these denominations. :)
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 03:06:46 PM »
But is being "in communion" really a big deal when you already have "open communion"?

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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 03:09:51 PM »
But is being "in communion" really a big deal when you already have "open communion"?
LOL. +1
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 03:20:23 PM »
"And they were all gathered in one place, a generation lost in space..."

That came to mind, reading the news.
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 03:22:52 PM »
Christ is risen!
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/79901_128215_ENG_HTM.htm

Simultaneous Canadian, U.S. liturgies mark 10th anniversary

By Mary Frances Schjonberg, May 02, 2011
[Episcopal News Service] U.S. Episcopalians, Canadian Anglicans and Lutherans in both countries came together May 1 to honor the 10th anniversaries of their denominations' declarations of full communion.
Episcopal Church Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Presiding Bishop Mark Hanson, Anglican Church in Canada Archbishop Fred Hiltz and Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada National Bishop Susan Johnson participated in unique simultaneous liturgies on either side of the U.S.-Canadian border.

Johnson presided and Jefferts Schori preached at St. Paul's Anglican Church, Fort Erie, Ontario. Hanson presided and Hiltz preached at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church, Buffalo, New York (Diocese of Western New York). Both services began at 3 p.m. EDT.

The celebrations included elements of the worship services of the four denominations.
I remember being horrified that the Lutherans were considering intercommunion with the Episcopalians without union, i.e. on beliefs.
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 04:39:17 PM »
But is being "in communion" really a big deal when you already have "open communion"?

I like this.   This is definitely a nominee for oc.net's quotable quotes! :D
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 04:48:46 AM »
That article reads like a list of all the popular vapid sentiments people are supposed to adopt in order to be accepted in modern society.
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 01:52:16 PM »
But is being "in communion" really a big deal when you already have "open communion"?

I like this.   This is definitely a nominee for oc.net's quotable quotes! :D
Agreed!

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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 03:57:05 PM »
But is being "in communion" really a big deal when you already have "open communion"?
LOL. +1
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But is being "in communion" really a big deal when you already have "open communion"?

I like this.   This is definitely a nominee for oc.net's quotable quotes! :D
Axios ;-)
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 05:27:56 PM »
Christ is risen!
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/79901_128215_ENG_HTM.htm

Simultaneous Canadian, U.S. liturgies mark 10th anniversary

By Mary Frances Schjonberg, May 02, 2011
[Episcopal News Service] U.S. Episcopalians, Canadian Anglicans and Lutherans in both countries came together May 1 to honor the 10th anniversaries of their denominations' declarations of full communion.
Episcopal Church Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Presiding Bishop Mark Hanson, Anglican Church in Canada Archbishop Fred Hiltz and Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada National Bishop Susan Johnson participated in unique simultaneous liturgies on either side of the U.S.-Canadian border.

Johnson presided and Jefferts Schori preached at St. Paul's Anglican Church, Fort Erie, Ontario. Hanson presided and Hiltz preached at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church, Buffalo, New York (Diocese of Western New York). Both services began at 3 p.m. EDT.

The celebrations included elements of the worship services of the four denominations.
I remember being horrified that the Lutherans were considering intercommunion with the Episcopalians without union, i.e. on beliefs.

I heard of a Lutheran pastor or bishop commenting, when they were first looking at doing this in the 80s, that it was "ecclesiastical necrophilia."
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 02:58:06 PM »
I heard of a Lutheran pastor or bishop commenting, when they were first looking at doing this in the 80s, that it was "ecclesiastical necrophilia."

Perhaps this is their way of adding "...not that there's anything wrong with that?"
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 03:31:49 PM »
It really is rather impressive... though disappointing in some ways. I mean, you pretty much have every single belief system professed by any given protestant denomination contained in these denominations. :)

...as opposed the the great range of things that American Roman Catholics actually believe?

A great deal of theological work went into this, especially on the subject of eucharistic and sacramental theory. So far the only other group for which this has happened is the Moravians; there has been some work done with the Methodists, but my sense is that it's going to be a waste of time as the Methodists have a completely different picture of the episcopacy and tend to take a lowish theory of communion.

BTW the local Lutherans joined us for the Easter vigil this year.
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2011, 05:32:55 PM »
Does anyone know if their is a movement of conservative Lutherans (Out of ELCA I suppose) who are seeking to "realign" themselves as the Anglicans have recently done?
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Re: Episcopalians, Lutherans cross border to celebrate full communion
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2011, 06:54:24 PM »
^Robb, there are several organizations that have popped up in the last few years mainly for ex-ELCA Lutherans who wanted to get away from the homosexuality debates which have ensnared the ELCA over the years.  One of those organizations (the biggest) is the Lutheran Congregations in Mission in Christ (http://www.lcmc.net/).  However, these are not really "conservative" Lutherans.  They still ordain women and their ecclesiology and theology would make a lot of Lutherans cringe.  They won't join the LCMS because they believe (and not entirely unjustly) that the Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod is too much like fundamentalism.
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