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Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« on: October 27, 2018, 12:20:16 PM »
Dear friends, do you believe the True Life in God messages are from Heaven? Vassula Ryden is Greek Orthodox and many of her messages speak of the impending Catholic-Orthodox re-union. Many of the prophesies she made around the 80s appear to be coming true now.

There has been some confusion on the Catholic Church's rulings - the Church has 3 categories on heavenly messages, namely (1) Constat de supernaturalitate (means confirmed to be supernatural - approved, positive) (2) Non constat de supernaturalitate (not confirmed to be supernatural - not determined, neutral) and lastly, (3) Constat de non supernaturalitate (confirmed to be not supernatural - rejected, negative) and so it appears the Catholic Church's stance on this particular message is in category 2.

"The TLIG prophetic revelations enjoy the Magisterium's Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat – official ecclesiastic seals of approval." http://www.tlig.org/en/testimonies/churchpos/nihilobstat/sealsofaproval/

Does the Orthodox Church have a definitive opinion on her messages? What do Orthodox posters here think of them?

Some sample messages: "Unity from the Heart

Unity will come in the conversion of our heart; that means by our love and our faith. It is not a matter of a signed treaty and it will not come either by the mighty who are fragmented; unity will come and will be lived by those who would have allowed the Holy Spirit to touch them in their poverty and be their Light. Unity will come when we use the two keys our Lord is offering us, which are: humility and love. If we use these two keys, unity will triumph over our division which is a sin. Unity will come when we truly begin to love Jesus Christ. Unity will come when we will die to ourselves. Unity will come when we lower our voices to hear Christ's voice and thus do His Will. Unity will come when we lower our heads and allow Christ's Head to be seen. Unity will come when we will start looking after Christ's Interests and not ours."

Thoughts?
"My daughter, look at My Heart surrounded with thorns with which ungrateful men pierce it at every moment by their blasphemies and ingratitude. You, at least, try to console Me, and say that I promise to assist at the hour of death, with all the graces necessary for salvation, all those who, on the first Saturday of five consecutive months go to confession and receive Holy Communion, recite five decades of the Rosary and keep Me company for a quarter of an hour" - The Theotokos to Sr. Lucia.

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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2018, 12:48:17 PM »
Thoughts?

Vanhyo is probably wetting himself with excitement...

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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2018, 01:14:53 PM »
Does the Orthodox Church have a definitive opinion on her messages?

She's been excommunicated. So she's no Orthodox.

What do Orthodox posters here think of them?
It's easy to answer yourself, if you see the sentence above.
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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2018, 01:27:44 PM »
Dear friends, do you believe the True Life in God messages are from Heaven? Vassula Ryden is Greek Orthodox and many of her messages speak of the impending Catholic-Orthodox re-union. Many of the prophesies she made around the 80s appear to be coming true now.

There has been some confusion on the Catholic Church's rulings - the Church has 3 categories on heavenly messages, namely (1) Constat de supernaturalitate (means confirmed to be supernatural - approved, positive) (2) Non constat de supernaturalitate (not confirmed to be supernatural - not determined, neutral) and lastly, (3) Constat de non supernaturalitate (confirmed to be not supernatural - rejected, negative) and so it appears the Catholic Church's stance on this particular message is in category 2.

"The TLIG prophetic revelations enjoy the Magisterium's Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat – official ecclesiastic seals of approval." http://www.tlig.org/en/testimonies/churchpos/nihilobstat/sealsofaproval/

Does the Orthodox Church have a definitive opinion on her messages? What do Orthodox posters here think of them?

Some sample messages: "Unity from the Heart

Unity will come in the conversion of our heart; that means by our love and our faith. It is not a matter of a signed treaty and it will not come either by the mighty who are fragmented; unity will come and will be lived by those who would have allowed the Holy Spirit to touch them in their poverty and be their Light. Unity will come when we use the two keys our Lord is offering us, which are: humility and love. If we use these two keys, unity will triumph over our division which is a sin. Unity will come when we truly begin to love Jesus Christ. Unity will come when we will die to ourselves. Unity will come when we lower our voices to hear Christ's voice and thus do His Will. Unity will come when we lower our heads and allow Christ's Head to be seen. Unity will come when we will start looking after Christ's Interests and not ours."

Thoughts?
Yes, you seem greatly confused.  The CDF gave a negative response in 1995 and reconfirmed several times since.

Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

Many Bishops, priests, religious and lay people have sought an authoritative judgment from this Congregation on the activity of Mrs. Vassula Ryden, a Greek Orthodox residing in Switzerland, who in speech and in writing is spreading in Catholic circles throughout the world messages attributed to alleged heavenly revelations.

A calm, attentive examination of the entire question, undertaken by this Congregation in order to “test the spirits to see whether they are of God” (cf. 1 Jn 4:1), has brought out -- in addition to positive aspects -- a number of basic elements that must be considered negative in the light of Catholic doctrine.

In addition to pointing out the suspect nature of the ways in which these alleged revelations have occurred, it is necessary to underscore several doctrinal errors they contain.

Among other things, ambiguous language is used in speaking of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, to the point of confusing the specific names and functions of the Divine Persons. These alleged revelations predict an imminent period when the Antichrist will prevail in the Church. In millenarian style, it is prophesied that God is going to make a final glorious intervention which will initiate on earth, even before Christ’s definitive coming, an era of peace and universal prosperity. Furthermore, the proximate arrival is foretold of a Church which would be a kind of pan-Christian community, contrary to Catholic doctrine.

The fact that the aforementioned errors no longer appear in Ryden’s later writings is a sign that the alleged “heavenly messages” are merely the result of private meditations.

Moreover, by habitually sharing in the sacraments of the Catholic Church even though she is Greek Orthodox, Mrs. Ryden is causing considerable surprise in various circles of the Catholic Church. She appears to be putting herself above all ecclesiastical jurisdiction and every canonical norm, and in effect, is creating an ecumenical disorder that irritates many authorities, ministers and faithful of her own Church, as she puts herself outside the ecclesiastical discipline of the latter.

Given the negative effect of Vassula Ryden’s activities, despite some positive aspects, this Congregation requests the intervention of the Bishops so that their faithful may be suitably informed and that no opportunity may be provided in their Dioceses for the dissemination of her ideas. Lastly, the Congregation invites all the faithful not to regard Mrs. Vassula Ryden’s writings and speeches as supernatural and to preserve the purity of the faith that the Lord has entrusted to the Church.

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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2018, 02:27:02 PM »
We do not believe in them.

We're not Roman Catholics.
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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2018, 02:45:50 PM »
Here is another women, riding on a bloom and the consequences of listening to such people.

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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2018, 03:13:48 PM »
We do not believe in them.

We're not Roman Catholics.

And in theory the RCs aren’t supposed to believe them, but the problem is that no one listens to the Inquisition CDF anymore.  Without any enforcement mechanism on bishops or the impending threat of an auto da fe the “Holy Office” is a bit of a paper tiger it seems.  Even direct Papal mandates are ignored or forgotten by enthusiastic Catholic laity at the prospect of personal revelations.  This lack of spiritual discipline among so many Catholics is a huge impediment, a giant iceberg in the ocean of ecumenical reconciliation.
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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2018, 04:16:40 PM »
We do not believe in them.

We're not Roman Catholics.

I don't believe in them either, and I *am*.  ;)
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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2018, 04:45:42 PM »
All right. :)

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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2018, 04:46:19 PM »
Here is another women, riding on a bloom and the consequences of listening to such people.

Why did you throw this in?
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Re: Do you believe in the True Life in God messages?
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2018, 05:10:17 PM »
Believe in the true life but, not in this depiction of it.