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« on: April 30, 2011, 08:33:39 AM »

Why doesn't Archbishop Rowan Williams, if he is an orthodox Anglican, simply say enough and lay the "smackdown" on the rogue Anglicans and immediately put an end to the spiritual mischief?
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 08:35:27 AM »

Or convert to Orthodoxy.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2011, 08:36:57 AM »

Or convert to Orthodoxy.
That'd be nice, but then there might not be an orthodox Archbishop in Canterbury... Someone needs to lead the Anglicans back, it won't happen unless they have orthodox leaders (who are willing to take a stand) guiding them. The same thing obviously also goes for the Roman Catholics but this is about the Anglicans...
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2011, 09:03:48 AM »

Depends on your definition of "orthodox".  I'm fairly certain Archbishop Rowan Williams is a big fan of the Affirming Catholicism movement, so I doubt he would live up to your standard.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2011, 03:13:47 PM »

Why doesn't Archbishop Rowan Williams, if he is an orthodox Anglican, simply say enough and lay the "smackdown" on the rogue Anglicans and immediately put an end to the spiritual mischief?
Does he really have that kind of universal authority?
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2011, 03:20:45 PM »

Outside the CofE, about the most he could do would be to disinvite the primates of other churches from coming to Lambeth, effectively kicking them out of the Anglican Communion.  Even within the CofE, I'm not sure what kind of authority he has over diocesan bishops, rogue or otherwise.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2011, 03:34:26 PM »

Why doesn't Archbishop Rowan Williams, if he is an orthodox Anglican, simply say enough and lay the "smackdown" on the rogue Anglicans and immediately put an end to the spiritual mischief?

Because he's not an orthodox Anglican or orthodox anything.  The man is an ecumenist and a post modernist.  He does whatever he wants.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2011, 03:35:47 PM »

Two reasons:

1) Rowan Williams isn't all that "orthodox".  He likes the pageantry and traditions and academic study of the fathers but he was always a bit on the liberal side in regards to the practice of the faith.  He's toned his liberalism down since becoming Archbishop, because he does believe at the very least in the Catholicism of his church, but at the end of the day his sympathies lie more with tEC and Canadian Anglican Church.

2) While he could indeed lay more of a smackdown (say by disinviting the Episcopalian bishops from Lambeth and all Anglican functions), he cannot just excommunicate these churches on his own authority, not even for just the CofE.  That said, were he to go ahead with that sort of proceeding he would have the majority of the Anglican Communion on his side, but he would never be able to get it that far, as he would be unable to get his own bishops in England to go along with it.  As mentioned above, though, he believes in "Catholicism" in a rather twisted sense, and believes it's his job to get the liberals and conservatives (and low and high churches) to all sit around a table having tea and crumpets with a nice side of Anglican fudge, talking about rainbows and gumdrops and unicorns.

I for one would love to see the Queen take these matters into her own hand, all the reports I'd heard back in my own Anglican days were that she is most definitely not amused.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2011, 03:48:35 PM »

Two reasons:

1) Rowan Williams isn't all that "orthodox".  He likes the pageantry and traditions and academic study of the fathers but he was always a bit on the liberal side in regards to the practice of the faith.  He's toned his liberalism down since becoming Archbishop, because he does believe at the very least in the Catholicism of his church, but at the end of the day his sympathies lie more with tEC and Canadian Anglican Church.

2) While he could indeed lay more of a smackdown (say by disinviting the Episcopalian bishops from Lambeth and all Anglican functions), he cannot just excommunicate these churches on his own authority, not even for just the CofE.  That said, were he to go ahead with that sort of proceeding he would have the majority of the Anglican Communion on his side, but he would never be able to get it that far, as he would be unable to get his own bishops in England to go along with it.  As mentioned above, though, he believes in "Catholicism" in a rather twisted sense, and believes it's his job to get the liberals and conservatives (and low and high churches) to all sit around a table having tea and crumpets with a nice side of Anglican fudge, talking about rainbows and gumdrops and unicorns.

I for one would love to see the Queen take these matters into her own hand, all the reports I'd heard back in my own Anglican days were that she is most definitely not amused.

Now I would like the Queen, or the future King Prince Charles take a strong stance and do something. I sincerely hope Orthodoxy has enough influence on Prince Charles so that he gives a swift boot to the liberal Anglicans.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2011, 04:10:34 PM »

Depends on your definition of "orthodox".  I'm fairly certain Archbishop Rowan Williams is a big fan of the Affirming Catholicism movement, so I doubt he would live up to your standard.

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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2011, 06:00:34 PM »

Williams is certainly not "Orthodox" in the way the bulk of the members of this forum would use the term.

Unfortunately the Anglican Communion has long been one without any true doctrines.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2011, 10:18:34 PM »

Why doesn't Archbishop Rowan Williams, if he is an orthodox Anglican, simply say enough and lay the "smackdown" on the rogue Anglicans and immediately put an end to the spiritual mischief?
Does he really have that kind of universal authority?

Not by a long shot.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2011, 10:24:36 PM »

Two reasons:

1) Rowan Williams isn't all that "orthodox".  He likes the pageantry and traditions and academic study of the fathers but he was always a bit on the liberal side in regards to the practice of the faith.  He's toned his liberalism down since becoming Archbishop, because he does believe at the very least in the Catholicism of his church, but at the end of the day his sympathies lie more with tEC and Canadian Anglican Church.

2) While he could indeed lay more of a smackdown (say by disinviting the Episcopalian bishops from Lambeth and all Anglican functions), he cannot just excommunicate these churches on his own authority, not even for just the CofE.  That said, were he to go ahead with that sort of proceeding he would have the majority of the Anglican Communion on his side, but he would never be able to get it that far, as he would be unable to get his own bishops in England to go along with it.  As mentioned above, though, he believes in "Catholicism" in a rather twisted sense, and believes it's his job to get the liberals and conservatives (and low and high churches) to all sit around a table having tea and crumpets with a nice side of Anglican fudge, talking about rainbows and gumdrops and unicorns.

I for one would love to see the Queen take these matters into her own hand, all the reports I'd heard back in my own Anglican days were that she is most definitely not amused.

Now I would like the Queen, or the future King Prince Charles take a strong stance and do something. I sincerely hope Orthodoxy has enough influence on Prince Charles so that he gives a swift boot to the liberal Anglicans.

From what I know about recent Archbishops of Cantebury (which isn't very much) I understand that Williams' predecessor, George Carey, was a lot more conservative -- or perhaps I should say evangelical.

Now, as far as a monarch taking matters into hand ... well, let's just say that don't relish reading how that will be written up in Catholic publications. Lips Sealed
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2011, 11:55:41 PM »

I noticed that there were no priesteses at the royal wedding would that be out of respect to Her Majesty's traditional views?
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2011, 03:01:19 AM »

Two reasons:

1) Rowan Williams isn't all that "orthodox".  He likes the pageantry and traditions and academic study of the fathers but he was always a bit on the liberal side in regards to the practice of the faith.  He's toned his liberalism down since becoming Archbishop, because he does believe at the very least in the Catholicism of his church, but at the end of the day his sympathies lie more with tEC and Canadian Anglican Church.

2) While he could indeed lay more of a smackdown (say by disinviting the Episcopalian bishops from Lambeth and all Anglican functions), he cannot just excommunicate these churches on his own authority, not even for just the CofE.  That said, were he to go ahead with that sort of proceeding he would have the majority of the Anglican Communion on his side, but he would never be able to get it that far, as he would be unable to get his own bishops in England to go along with it.  As mentioned above, though, he believes in "Catholicism" in a rather twisted sense, and believes it's his job to get the liberals and conservatives (and low and high churches) to all sit around a table having tea and crumpets with a nice side of Anglican fudge, talking about rainbows and gumdrops and unicorns.

I for one would love to see the Queen take these matters into her own hand, all the reports I'd heard back in my own Anglican days were that she is most definitely not amused.

Now I would like the Queen, or the future King Prince Charles take a strong stance and do something. I sincerely hope Orthodoxy has enough influence on Prince Charles so that he gives a swift boot to the liberal Anglicans.
Why do you even care how they manage their own church is beyond me.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2011, 04:13:26 AM »

I noticed that there were no priesteses at the royal wedding would that be out of respect to Her Majesty's traditional views?
i think the reason is that there are currently no female bishops in the CofE. Female clergy have served at chapels conected with royal residences. What makes you think Mrs. Windsor's views are traditional? Since her job depends on her keeping her views to herself, she does just that.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2011, 05:20:36 AM »

Why do you even care how they manage their own church is beyond me.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2011, 05:28:56 AM »

former archbishop george carey is a devout Christian who sincerely believes that people should follow Jesus in what we would regard as a fairly orthodox way. he spoke out against the liberals. the liberals in the anglican church basically believe that you just believe whatever you want (but not the virgin birth or resurrection as they are unlikely to have 'really' happened), go to church and be a nice person.
when he was archbishop, i was going through a phase of being anglican on my way to orthodoxy, as i thought at that time there was a viable future for the anglican church.
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2011, 05:54:43 PM »

  Williams doesn't have that kind of authority, for one.

  Williams is fairly "orthodox" in terms of his belief in the Nicene Creed, specificly the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and resurrection.  But he's Affirming Catholic in terms of his views of women and homosexuals.  He's not John Shelby Spong or Marcus Borg.
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2011, 03:54:55 PM »

Why doesn't Archbishop Rowan Williams, if he is an orthodox Anglican, simply say enough and lay the "smackdown" on the rogue Anglicans and immediately put an end to the spiritual mischief?

Sort of like the Patriarch of Constantinople in Eastern Orthodoxy (not to paint with too broad a brush, just using an analogy) the Archbishop does not have any jurisdictional pre-eminence or authority within the Anglican Communion.
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