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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?
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I'm a borderline anarchist and still no.  The royal family had their use in the past and if they had more power today England might not be devolving into the nanny-state nonsense she's seeing now.  Let the British hold on to whatever tradition they have left, they need it.
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I'm a borderline anarchist and still no. 

Well, at least you are borderline and not full-on ;)

Anyway, I don't see how one can be spiteful towards them. Does it really matter? Do you feel spite towards the middle and upper classes of today's society? We deserve it just as much (if not more) than monarchs like this.

The monarchs represent far more than just themselves, and so all the pomp and circumstance and regalia is certainly grand and aristocratic, but as we saw today, it stands for far more than the monarchy itself.

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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?
No. Why should I harbor such envy and jealousy toward them?
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Spite? No.  It would actually be difficult for me to find a way to care less than I do now about what happens over there.
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Do you have any spite of what they have done?
First of all, why do you care? Would you like me to launch into a diatribe about the foibles of US Presidents and ask how you can support such a system?

Do you feel the same way about the despotic monarchs of some Middle Eastern nations? What about the republican presidents of China, North Korea, and elsewhere? Do they receive your admiration or your spite?

If it's just that you aren't interested in the media attention given to them, leave it alone. Listen to the current antics of Charlie Sheen and that ilk instead.

Finally and most importantly, if you have such spite, shouldn't you be praying about that and seeking some spiritual guidance?

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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?

So you hate people because of what their family did? Thats classy. Monarchies are one of the best forms of government in my opinion.
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I love monarchies, so no.

She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
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I'm a borderline anarchist and still no. 

Well, at least you are borderline and not full-on ;)

Anyway, I don't see how one can be spiteful towards them. Does it really matter? Do you feel spite towards the middle and upper classes of today's society? We deserve it just as much (if not more) than monarchs like this.

The monarchs represent far more than just themselves, and so all the pomp and circumstance and regalia is certainly grand and aristocratic, but as we saw today, it stands for far more than the monarchy itself.

Absolutely not.  Most of the upper & middle classes today have earned their money.

The monarchs TOOK their money from hard working people.  Then they go flaunt it like if they are the epiphany of greatness.
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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?

So you hate people because of what their family did? Thats classy. Monarchies are one of the best forms of government in my opinion.

Yes because they kept all the money they stole off the backs of hard working people, and flaunt it in our faces.  They are evil and wicked.  From generation to generation their cursed money passed on.  Here you have it, fancy isn't it?  How many starved for their fortunes?
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Do you have any spite of what they have done?
First of all, why do you care? Would you like me to launch into a diatribe about the foibles of US Presidents and ask how you can support such a system?

Do you feel the same way about the despotic monarchs of some Middle Eastern nations? What about the republican presidents of China, North Korea, and elsewhere? Do they receive your admiration or your spite?

If it's just that you aren't interested in the media attention given to them, leave it alone. Listen to the current antics of Charlie Sheen and that ilk instead.

Finally and most importantly, if you have such spite, shouldn't you be praying about that and seeking some spiritual guidance?

Charlie Sheen didn't steal money from a nation and flaunt it in our faces.  Charlie Sheen mainly harms himself.  It's his problem.

Yes you are correct, I do not like the leaders of China or North Korea.

I do not like the Monarchies and elite of this world.  They hurt their nations through centuries and flaunt it in our faces.  They even own banking cartels and print currencies today which regulate our payment for work (money value).  They are criminals in my opinion.

Finally, no, I don't think I should pray for guidance of my dislike for tyrants. I didn't see Yeshua kissing up to Pilate.

Our government here in America is our servants, (public servants), hence, Romans 13 doesn't apply as that is for "authorities".
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 They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".


hm....didn't the Bolsheviks say this about the Tzar?

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I'm glad I live in a capitalist-esque society, where the rich don't make money off the work of the poor. Oh wait...  8)
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Our government here in America is our servants, (public servants), hence, Romans 13 doesn't apply as that is for "authorities".

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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?

So you hate people because of what their family did? Thats classy. Monarchies are one of the best forms of government in my opinion.

Yes because they kept all the money they stole off the backs of hard working people, and flaunt it in our faces.  They are evil and wicked.  From generation to generation their cursed money passed on.  Here you have it, fancy isn't it?  How many starved for their fortunes?

Dude, stop feeding me BS, every government does that. So what do you want to do, hm? I bet you'd like to be a leader.
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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?

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I'm a borderline anarchist and still no. 

Well, at least you are borderline and not full-on ;)

Anyway, I don't see how one can be spiteful towards them. Does it really matter? Do you feel spite towards the middle and upper classes of today's society? We deserve it just as much (if not more) than monarchs like this.

The monarchs represent far more than just themselves, and so all the pomp and circumstance and regalia is certainly grand and aristocratic, but as we saw today, it stands for far more than the monarchy itself.

Absolutely not.  Most of the upper & middle classes today have earned their money.

The monarchs TOOK their money from hard working people.  Then they go flaunt it like if they are the epiphany of greatness.



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I'm a borderline anarchist and still no. 

Well, at least you are borderline and not full-on ;)

Anyway, I don't see how one can be spiteful towards them. Does it really matter? Do you feel spite towards the middle and upper classes of today's society? We deserve it just as much (if not more) than monarchs like this.

The monarchs represent far more than just themselves, and so all the pomp and circumstance and regalia is certainly grand and aristocratic, but as we saw today, it stands for far more than the monarchy itself.

Absolutely not.  Most of the upper & middle classes today have earned their money.

The monarchs TOOK their money from hard working people.  Then they go flaunt it like if they are the epiphany of greatness.



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That's not Caesar.
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Not to be technical, but some members of the royal family have served in the military, so they did have 'real jobs.' Also, they bring in lots of money when tourists come to see them, thus repaying the country for what they get. Yes, it's a big, showy wedding, but what did you expect, $18 at the clerk of the court's office? The money they spend will employ caterers, waiters, clothing designers, etc.

I'm pretty sure the royal family also has a number of charitable foundations, so they do give at least something to good causes every year.

All that said, I'm more in favor of democracies, but... there's not a heck of a lot I can do about the wedding, even if I wanted to, so I'm not going to waste my time hating them.
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I'm watching it now on DVR. It reminds me why I am a monarchist. This is great.
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That's not Caesar.

Indeed. If you had said about Caesar what you said about the Queen, you'd have "disappeared" by now  :P
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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?

So you hate people because of what their family did? Thats classy. Monarchies are one of the best forms of government in my opinion.

Yes because they kept all the money they stole off the backs of hard working people, and flaunt it in our faces.  They are evil and wicked.  From generation to generation their cursed money passed on.  Here you have it, fancy isn't it?  How many starved for their fortunes?

So it wasn't a hard job to be king? Defend your nation against constant wars? Keep it from tearing apart? Establishing all those charitable endowments, schools, churches, monasteries, etc?  Yeah, there were certainly problems and excesses, but that's the same as in "democracy" where mobs tend to steal money and kill people in the spirit of making things "even"...
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I'm a borderline anarchist and still no.

Well, at least you are borderline and not full-on ;)

Anyway, I don't see how one can be spiteful towards them. Does it really matter? Do you feel spite towards the middle and upper classes of today's society? We deserve it just as much (if not more) than monarchs like this.

The monarchs represent far more than just themselves, and so all the pomp and circumstance and regalia is certainly grand and aristocratic, but as we saw today, it stands for far more than the monarchy itself.

Absolutely not.  Most of the upper & middle classes today have earned their money.

The monarchs TOOK their money from hard working people.  Then they go flaunt it like if they are the epiphany of greatness.



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That's not Caesar.

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Whose face is on the money? Queen Elizabeth. Render unto Queen Elizabeth what is Queen Elizabeth's.

The royals are in charge because a long time ago their ancestors in a rather Darwinian way—survival of the fittest—slowly conquered/merged with all the other kingdoms in the British Isles. Their family has provided for their subjects down through the ages by protecting them and strengthening their nation. It's all a very organic process. You make it sound like a conspiracy, and there may have been a few in the mix, but overall it's just something that happened. It's very normal human tribalism on a grand scale, and a very natural form of government.

Or it was because a watery tart threw a sword at them.

Either way, they're in charge and in their country, all authority flows from them. The money is theirs because their bank prints it and it has their matriarch's picture on it.

Of course, in today's world the people have stripped away most of their actual power away. They are the uniative symbols of their country, just like in the US we have the Presidency and its many accoutrements, as well as many other things like celebrities.

Heck, in the Church we have pomp and circumstance for our bishops. It is simple human nature: we shower gifts on those who we perceive to be our common leaders and defenders.

And finally, are you even one of the Queen's subjects anyway? If not, why do you even care?
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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?

Why should I have any spite towards them?  And even if I had reason to, didn't some guy say something about loving our enemies or something like that?  I know I heard that somewhere...
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Not to be technical, but some members of the royal family have served in the military, so they did have 'real jobs.' Also, they bring in lots of money when tourists come to see them, thus repaying the country for what they get. Yes, it's a big, showy wedding, but what did you expect, $18 at the clerk of the court's office? The money they spend will employ caterers, waiters, clothing designers, etc.

I was listening to BBC Radio this morning, and they pointed out that Prince William is—and will continue to be—a full-time RAF pilot, and the Dutchess Catherine will be living the life of a military wife, likely until William becomes heir-apparent.

It's not as if these people are lying around on couches all day, eating grapes.

[edit] And if I'm not mistaken, they depend a good deal on their personal wealth these days, not so much taxes. These aren't the Middle Ages, after all.
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All that said, I'm more in favor of democracies, but... there's not a heck of a lot I can do about the wedding, even if I wanted to, so I'm not going to waste my time hating them.
We're in agreement on the basic point, but just to clarify, I think you mean "republic" not "democracy". Last time I checked, Canada, UK, Sweden, Netherlands, et al., definitely qualify as democracies. On the other hand, we can easily name a few republics that are anything but democracies.

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All monarchies have mad their fortunes by plundering from others, either foreign nations or their own citizens.  This doesn't disqualify all the good that they have done throughout the centuries (Henry VIII and his harlot daughter not withstanding).  Who would possibly have a qualm with these royal nuptials?  English republicans?  Wild eyed, disgruntled Irishmen?  Scottish Calvinist?  American slack jawed, tea party types?  I sure don't. 

The land of my ancestors used to have a monarchy, but the allies pressured us to get ride of it after the last war?  I wish that they'd bring it back soon so that Italy can have some stability and reverence returned to her civic life as before (Although, to be fair that monarchy was composed of a lot of anti clericalism and Freemasons so it wasn't a "true" Christian monarchy in the strict sense as was Spains or Russia's). 

All countries would do well to have some type of monarchy or figurehead to be s shinning example for them, just like the English have with theirs.

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The wedding was on the TV in my gym here yesterday, and yes, of course, every historical monarchy had it's share of baggage, but the tradition, especially in this day and age, is a worthy thing to hold on to. We got to talking in the gym about it, and how in spite of the many, many excesses and abuses of the Tsars (our founding father, Петр I, probably the worst of them, at least to the Church), it would be very cool in some ways if Russia had a similar figurehead these days, a ceremonial figurehead Romanov, remaining from the past. Could you imagine how those weddings would be?

As to the abuses that created, or helped to create their wealth, every era has it's reforms, and it's own take on what is or is not acceptable. There is a lot of context to all of this, and the major precedents for taking the money of royalty away were set by our fine Orthodox friends, the terrorist French First Republic, and the lovely Bolsheviks.
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The land of my ancestors used to have a monarchy, but the allies pressured us to get ride of it after the last war?  I wish that they'd bring it back soon so that Italy can have some stability and reverence returned to her civic life as before (Although, to be fair that monarchy was composed of a lot of anti clericalism and Freemasons so it wasn't a "true" Christian monarchy in the strict sense as was Spains or Russia's).

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The only thing I dislike about the Royal Family's money, is how much of their past money was acquired through outright theft (not just taxes, but literally deciding one day that person x's estate now belongs to the King).  However, I would - in all likelihood anyways - not today be living in Arizona had the US government not invaded Mexico and decided to take Arizona for its own.  In fact, I would not likely be what is today America had the English and others not decided to take over large portions of land that belonged to someone else.  The fact of the matter is that these thefts happened a long time ago, and it would be damn near impossible to return the property to the person who is the closest living heir to people who died hundreds of years ago.  As such, I say we move on from the past and return to today.

As to the Royal Family spending state money on their wedding (and I am not entirely certain that they did so), the Royal Family owns a massive amount of property and other investments which presently the British government take the income from, in exchange for a set amount of money (and possibly some allowances of various sorts, I can't recall exactly) to be paid to the Royal Family.  Because of the amount the British take in from the Family's estate, the British actually make money every year off the deal.  I suppose in a way, this is actually the closest one can come to returning the property that the Queen's distant ancestors outright took from others, seeing as how many of their descendants would today be paying somewhat higher taxes (or Britain's government would be ever closer to bankruptcy) if not for this deal.

I was surprised to see so many supporters of monarchy on this site.  You can add my name to that list (the best government is either one where there is a monarch - who has actual power - or no government at all).
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Do you have any spite of what they have done?
First of all, why do you care? Would you like me to launch into a diatribe about the foibles of US Presidents and ask how you can support such a system?

Do you feel the same way about the despotic monarchs of some Middle Eastern nations? What about the republican presidents of China, North Korea, and elsewhere? Do they receive your admiration or your spite?

If it's just that you aren't interested in the media attention given to them, leave it alone. Listen to the current antics of Charlie Sheen and that ilk instead.

Finally and most importantly, if you have such spite, shouldn't you be praying about that and seeking some spiritual guidance?

Charlie Sheen didn't steal money from a nation and flaunt it in our faces.  Charlie Sheen mainly harms himself.  It's his problem.

Yes you are correct, I do not like the leaders of China or North Korea.

I do not like the Monarchies and elite of this world.  They hurt their nations through centuries and flaunt it in our faces.  They even own banking cartels and print currencies today which regulate our payment for work (money value).  They are criminals in my opinion.

Finally, no, I don't think I should pray for guidance of my dislike for tyrants. I didn't see Yeshua kissing up to Pilate.

Our government here in America is our servants, (public servants), hence, Romans 13 doesn't apply as that is for "authorities".

I am not going to answer these absurd statements that are frankly erroneous.  What is absolutely clear about most Western monarchies is that they are rooted in Judeo-Christian values.   Kingship in every European monarchy acknowledges the Kingship of Jesus Christ. Look at the Coronation of the Queen.  The symbolism and the actual wording of the rite makes it very clear that Her Majesty is foremost a servant or perhaps better, handmaid of the Lord.  Her authority is from God.  She is annointed with chrism, receives Holy Communion (yes Anglican I know - she should be Orthodox) but it is entirely different to the self-seeking secular republicans, whose values for the main are rooted in atheism and if they are Christian have a huge stumbling block - the fact that Christian monarchy is the preferred system of government for a Christian country.

The restoration of Orthodox monarchy to Serbia, Rumania, Russia and Bulgaria for starters would be an enormous attack on the Evil One, and would support the mission of the Church in so many ways.
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I was surprised to see so many supporters of monarchy on this site.  You can add my name to that list (the best government is either one where there is a monarch - who has actual power - or no government at all).
Wow, that sounds like my political thoughts!

I have to be a closet monarchist, because that kind of stuff gets you laughed out the door at academia...so I identify as a center-right libertarian (kinda).
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The Hanovarians didn't steal so much as they accepted an offer of the monarchy from Parlaiment... And they wouldn't have been in a position to take the throne if Parlaiment hadn't handed it to a Dutch interloper in the first place.

England's monarchy is what it is today because of the elected representative government, which decided not to endorse the republican sentiments that were gaining traction during Victorian times.

I would actually like to see a monarch get uppity and point out that they don't actually have a written constitution. Or better yet, I would like to see a Jacobite prince take back the throne. If there's anyone who has a right to feel spite, it's the Stuarts.

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It's just silly money, if you really think of it. Sure, that money could help a lot of people if it were distributed to the poor, for example. But no matter how wasteful a government is, there are some things they can't take away and those are the important ones  ;) [End of optimistic/cliche message]

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I would actually like to see a monarch get uppity and point out that they don't actually have a written constitution.

I have often wondered about this. This is a major plot point in the insightful and important film Johnny English. Reportedly the British monarch has more power than almost any other head of state in the world, they simply don't use the powers anymore.

Since the military and government officials are sworn to the monarch personally, the British Monarch still has theoretical total power. Logically, they could theoretically do away with it all in reinstate absolute monarchy, or at least do away with much of the "constitution".

Not that it would happen, but it could, couldn't it?
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No, I don't have any spite towards the royal family.  I think the ceremony was lovely and I wish the couple well. 

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Not that it would happen, but it could, couldn't it?

The monarch would be violating their coronation oath (to govern according to the nation's respective laws and customs), of which there is precedent of how to deal with them:  Charles I.   ;)
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Do you have any spite of what they have done?
First of all, why do you care? Would you like me to launch into a diatribe about the foibles of US Presidents and ask how you can support such a system?

Do you feel the same way about the despotic monarchs of some Middle Eastern nations? What about the republican presidents of China, North Korea, and elsewhere? Do they receive your admiration or your spite?

If it's just that you aren't interested in the media attention given to them, leave it alone. Listen to the current antics of Charlie Sheen and that ilk instead.

Finally and most importantly, if you have such spite, shouldn't you be praying about that and seeking some spiritual guidance?

Charlie Sheen didn't steal money from a nation and flaunt it in our faces.  Charlie Sheen mainly harms himself.  It's his problem.

Yes you are correct, I do not like the leaders of China or North Korea.

I do not like the Monarchies and elite of this world.  They hurt their nations through centuries and flaunt it in our faces.  They even own banking cartels and print currencies today which regulate our payment for work (money value).  They are criminals in my opinion.

Finally, no, I don't think I should pray for guidance of my dislike for tyrants. I didn't see Yeshua kissing up to Pilate.

Our government here in America is our servants, (public servants), hence, Romans 13 doesn't apply as that is for "authorities".

I am not going to answer these absurd statements that are frankly erroneous.  What is absolutely clear about most Western monarchies is that they are rooted in Judeo-Christian values.   Kingship in every European monarchy acknowledges the Kingship of Jesus Christ. Look at the Coronation of the Queen.  The symbolism and the actual wording of the rite makes it very clear that Her Majesty is foremost a servant or perhaps better, handmaid of the Lord.  Her authority is from God.  She is annointed with chrism, receives Holy Communion (yes Anglican I know - she should be Orthodox) but it is entirely different to the self-seeking secular republicans, whose values for the main are rooted in atheism and if they are Christian have a huge stumbling block - the fact that Christian monarchy is the preferred system of government for a Christian country.

The restoration of Orthodox monarchy to Serbia, Rumania, Russia and Bulgaria for starters would be an enormous attack on the Evil One, and would support the mission of the Church in so many ways.
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Not that it would happen, but it could, couldn't it?

The monarch would be violating their coronation oath (to govern according to the nation's respective laws and customs), of which there is precedent of how to deal with them:  Charles I.   ;)
That didn't work out, and the Brits haven't been foolish enough to try a republic since then.
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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?
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God save the Queen!

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I'm glad I live in a capitalist-esque society, where the rich don't make money off the work of the poor. Oh wait...  8)
A poor person never offered me a job. ;)
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I'm glad I live in a capitalist-esque society, where the rich don't make money off the work of the poor. Oh wait...  8)
A poor person never offered me a job. ;)

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I don't envy them or have spite toward them in the least.  All I can say is, God bless them and grant them many happy years together.
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Never thought I would see a Celtic supporter write that.  :)
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I'm one of the very few monarchist Celtic fans. :)
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I'm glad I live in a capitalist-esque society, where the rich don't make money off the work of the poor. Oh wait...  8)
A poor person never offered me a job. ;)
Really? Several have offered me the job of supporting them.
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I'm one of the very few monarchist Celtic fans. :)
You aren't exaggerating.  :)  Glad to make your acquaintance, from another club's support with a somewhat ambivalent (at best) relationship to the monarchy.

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Surprised?? :)

No, just lending my support through the liberal use of exclamation points!

 
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Surprised?? :)

No, just lending my support through the liberal use of exclamation points!

 

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I'm one of the very few monarchist Celtic fans. :)
You aren't exaggerating.  :)  Glad to make your acquaintance, from another club's support with a somewhat ambivalent (at best) relationship to the monarchy.

God save the Queen!
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Surprised?? :)

No, just lending my support through the liberal use of exclamation points!

 

What club do you pull for mate?
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The freshly relegated to League 1 Sheffield United.  Up the Blades!

Their support is very working class and 'Northern', so they retain a lot of ambivalence or animosity towards the monarchy, anything 'Thatcherite', or anything they perceive as being anti-mining in any shape or form (even if they have no direct connection with mines or the strikes).  It's been an experience to see my fellow supporters and friends put everything they have, passions, fortune, etc. into following a football club.
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The freshly relegated to League 1 Sheffield United.  Up the Blades!

Their support is very working class and 'Northern', so they retain a lot of ambivalence or animosity towards the monarchy, anything 'Thatcherite', or anything they perceive as being anti-mining in any shape or form (even if they have no direct connection with mines or the strikes).  It's been an experience to see my fellow supporters and friends put everything they have, passions, fortune, etc. into following a football club.

Just when I thought we could be friends. Sheffield United?! For shame...
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Just when I thought we could be friends. Sheffield United?! For shame...
I knew the Leeds... umm, supporters would show their faces after my post.  You'll have to give us some tips on League 1 ;)

In seriousness, I'm assuming you've run into similarly hostile attitudes towards the monarchy amongst fellow Yorkshire folk.
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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?
No, the apparent "frivolity" isn't really for the royals themselves, but the traditions and national pride of the people of the U.K.
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The freshly relegated to League 1 Sheffield United.  Up the Blades!

Their support is very working class and 'Northern', so they retain a lot of ambivalence or animosity towards the monarchy, anything 'Thatcherite', or anything they perceive as being anti-mining in any shape or form (even if they have no direct connection with mines or the strikes).  It's been an experience to see my fellow supporters and friends put everything they have, passions, fortune, etc. into following a football club.

I'm familiar with them, werent they in the EPL a few years back? My favorite clubs in england are EPL powerhouse Manchester United and League Two anklebiters Macclesfield Town.
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I'm familiar with them, werent they in the EPL a few years back? My favorite clubs in england are EPL powerhouse Manchester United and League Two anklebiters Macclesfield Town.

Yeah, SUFC was in the EPL a few years ago.  They make it there from time to time.  The last time they were relegated was, in part, due to West Ham illegally playing Tevez and getting pts from those matches.
I have a bit of a soft spot for Macclesfield Town.  "We're the Lads from Macc... We wan't some crack!" [not illegal drugs]
As for SPL teams, I would probably lean towards Hearts.  Not that I particularly like them, but I've spent a lot more time in Edinburgh than Glasgow.
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Just when I thought we could be friends. Sheffield United?! For shame...
I knew the Leeds... umm, supporters would show their faces after my post.  You'll have to give us some tips on League 1 ;)

In seriousness, I'm assuming you've run into similarly hostile attitudes towards the monarchy amongst fellow Yorkshire folk.

I'm a glory hunter from the days when we played Valencia, I've never actually been to Yorkshire--though I dream of living there. But yes, the Leeds mailing list seems to have picked up a rather anti-monarchy bent over the last week, with a vocal pro-royalist minority. Of course, I tell myself it has less to do with Thatcher and more to do with 1069-70.
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I'm a glory hunter from the days when we played Valencia, I've never actually been to Yorkshire--though I dream of living there. But yes, the Leeds mailing list seems to have picked up a rather anti-monarchy bent over the last week, with a vocal pro-royalist minority.
I think you can safely be acquitted of being a glory hunter if you suffered through their recent troubles.  Not a lot of recent Europe appearances for my lads, unless you count Malta friendlies  ;D.
At least you have a vocal pro-royalist minority.  We have a semi-vocal "we don't hate the monarchy and don't believe the national anthem should be immediately changed" minority.

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Of course, I tell myself it has less to do with Thatcher and more to do with 1069-70.

I love it!  I'll tell myself that as well.  After all, the historical and political knowledge of your average Yorkshire area football supporter is really impressive  ;).  Most seem to believe that the 'Winter of Discontent' in 78-79 was actually caused by Thatcher.
[Not attempting to make a political point.  P.M. Thatcher gained office after that period.  This type of ignorance, in my opinion, contributes to some of the anti-monarchist feelings among certain populations within the UK].
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I'm familiar with them, werent they in the EPL a few years back? My favorite clubs in england are EPL powerhouse Manchester United and League Two anklebiters Macclesfield Town.

Yeah, SUFC was in the EPL a few years ago.  They make it there from time to time.  The last time they were relegated was, in part, due to West Ham illegally playing Tevez and getting pts from those matches.
I have a bit of a soft spot for Macclesfield Town.  "We're the Lads from Macc... We wan't some crack!" [not illegal drugs]
As for SPL teams, I would probably lean towards Hearts.  Not that I particularly like them, but I've spent a lot more time in Edinburgh than Glasgow.


I remimber the Tevez ordeal, did SUFC ever get money from West Ham?

Hearts is a good team, probably the only team in the SPL who could ever challenge the Old Firm to be honest.
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"Rangers could face FIFA action over a Royal Wedding tribute printed on the shirt of captain David Weir.

The defender wore a shirt paying tribute to Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge during Saturday's 5-0 win away to Motherwell in the Scottish Premier League."
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It is interesting how the monarch print and use their own money, and FORCE the people to exchange the labor for their own money.  Then use the bible to render back the money.... You know... The Money, which is paper and created out of thin air.

Bible when it works in their favor, and their banks, charge interest which Christians should not.

It's a Royal scheme, and their dirty money roots are all part of it.   That's why I spite them.
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It is interesting how the monarch print and use their own money, and FORCE the people to exchange the labor for their own money.  Then use the bible to render back the money.... You know... The Money, which is paper and created out of thin air.
Congress does the same thing. Get over it.

Bible when it works in their favor, and their banks, charge interest which Christians should not.
Ever heard of the Federal Reserve Board?

It's a Royal scheme, and their dirty money roots are all part of it.   That's why I spite them.
Then you are just being silly.
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All of their money from the past came off the hard working backs of the working man.  Their current investments came from that money.  They own so much of BP, Canada, and many other parts of the world (including much of the banking sector).

Then they go on TV and everybody's heart is throbbing because it's a princess/prince story.

LOL, it eeks my stomach out.  They are only flaunting money that they forced others to pay them at one time.  It's like a royal "food stamp" wedding, but they have fleeced the common man for his money & for food.

They feel like they are "entitled" because they give themselves "titles".

Do you have any spite of what they have done?

No. IMO, the sad state of the British monarchy is mostly the fault of the Parliament, who insist on keeping them around, but over the past several hundred years have gradually degraded them to the point where they essentially have no power. If the monarchy had been allowed to retain the power they had 300 years ago, then their wealth would still probably be worthwhile.
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Never thought much about the English Monarchy be it,Negatively/Positively....When the media Mentions them,Or this Forum ,That's about it .....And Life Goes on...... :police:
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I remimber the Tevez ordeal, did SUFC ever get money from West Ham?
Yeah, something around £25mil, which we clearly used well.   >:(

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IMO, the sad state of the British monarchy is mostly the fault of the Parliament, who insist on keeping them around, but over the past several hundred years have gradually degraded them to the point where they essentially have no power. If the monarchy had been allowed to retain the power they had 300 years ago, then their wealth would still probably be worthwhile.

Completely agreed.  I can't remember the specific nobleman, it was a Duke (not helpful), but he was recently fuming over the plans to remove all hereditary positions from the House of Lords.  This wasn't due to, as we might incorrectly suspect, wanting that power and privilege.  Instead, it was because he viewed it as his duty to serve responsibly as part of that body.  He pretty much stated that the monarchy, without any real responsibilities, investment, and involvement in the nation's affairs was pointless.  I believe he went so far as to say, calmly and earnestly, that if he was ever removed from that duty, he would give up his land and title.
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