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difficult question!!!
« on: April 26, 2011, 01:52:48 PM »
Will I have to give up being Swedish when becoming Orthodox?
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 02:02:33 PM »
Absolutely not!

However, I have to qualify my statement. In areligious and Protestant nations, Orthodoxy can be quite countercultural. If parts of your culture conflict with the teaching of the Church...it's gotta go. However, Orthodoxy has always baptized culture and penetrated it without obliterating the native culture.

We should not lose who we are as individuals, nor as cultures, to become Orthodox. We should simply be, well...Christianitized.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 02:59:05 PM »
May the prayers of all the Orthodox saints of Sweden, including St. Olof the King and Martyr, St. Anna of Novgorod, Sts. Sigfrid and Ansgar the Equals to the Apostles be with you! They pray for the conversion of all of Sweden back to its ancestral faith, Holy Orthodoxy.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 03:02:13 PM »
u have to give up that stinky pickled fish during lent, otherwise, you should be fine  ;)
dill-flavoured crisps, i think, are lentern (every ikea has them, i assume they are some sort of national food!)
u will have to get used to always being the first person to arrive at church, and you'll probably kiss more people than you're used to at pascha, otherwise you should be alright.
i have friends from church who have relatives in sweden, if you like i can ask them how swedish they are  ;)
the egyptians and sudanese eat even stinkier fish (the method of preservation, i think, is similar to preserving mummies, and it smells just as good) so i think u will fit in just fine :)

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 03:06:14 PM »
Why would you have to give up your culture to serve Christ and His Church?  ???
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 03:14:42 PM »
Will I have to give up being Swedish when becoming Orthodox?

We had a Swedish man come to Holy Week and Pascha services... He talked funny.

Oh ya sure by golly.

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 03:15:27 PM »
How do you give up being Swedish?  

Heck, I can't even give up being from Jersey. No matter how hard I try to get rid of my accent, a fast-talking valley girl is always lurking underneath. They always know.


On a serious note, you will probably have to make some slight changes to adjust to the culture of your church. My very American husband isn't used to kissing icons or the priest's hand yet. My priest is okay with him not doing so, (he just crosses himself and says a quick prayer to venerate an icon) but he has had to make some adjustments to fit in culturally.

I like to think of it as picking up new habits while still maintaining our own personality and being aware of our own cultural quirks. I love engaging both the Greeks and non-Greeks and talking about our respective lifestyles, language, history, everything.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 03:19:32 PM »
During the Paschal Matins, our Priest included Swedish because one woman who is in the parish is Swedish and has children with her American husband who can speak Swedish:

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 04:04:42 PM »
If applicable, I think it's common for people to become somewhat interested in the ethnic/linguistic culture of the church they attend. 

That said (and no "snarkiness" meant or offense to our Greek brethren intended), but I did not become, nor do I aspire to become Greek by joining the Greek Orthodox Church.

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2011, 04:23:11 PM »
Why would you have to give up your culture to serve Christ and His Church?  ???

In most cases, you don't.  Very good question, and one that needs to be asked more often.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2011, 04:26:03 PM »
If applicable, I think it's common for people to become somewhat interested in the ethnic/linguistic culture of the church they attend. 

That said (and no "snarkiness" meant or offense to our Greek brethren intended), but I did not become, nor do I aspire to become Greek by joining the Greek Orthodox Church.


Exactly. I want to learn how to speak Greek, study their history, and enjoy the fruits of their labor (ie: the food), but I am not going around and calling myself Greek, nor will I ever do that. I love the Slovak and Filipino blood that runs through me, and I hope that it will never be compromised, no matter what church I attend.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2011, 04:52:43 PM »
Will I have to give up being Swedish when becoming Orthodox?

We had a Swedish man come to Holy Week and Pascha services... He talked funny.

Oh ya sure by golly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy2HfixB9_8
Well, that's only because you don't speak Swedish.

During the Paschal Matins, our Priest included Swedish because one woman who is in the parish is Swedish and has children with her American husband who can speak Swedish:

Kristus är uppstånden!
:laugh:

dill-flavoured crisps, i think, are lentern (every ikea has them, i assume they are some sort of national food!)
Knäckebröd? but i don't know why you are thinking about dill. btw, Knäckebröd is something we buy at the grocery store/supermarket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSouvEcrX4s
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2011, 05:23:45 PM »
Will I have to give up being Swedish when becoming Orthodox?

Depends on what exactly you mean by "being Swedish" and which Orthodox church you join.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2011, 05:30:41 PM »
Kristus är uppstånden!
 
Will I have to give up being Swedish when becoming Orthodox?
The disestablishment of the Church of Sweden has removed any question on that.

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2011, 05:33:09 PM »
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u have to give up that stinky pickled fish during lent, otherwise, you should be fine  ;)
dill-flavoured crisps, i think, are lentern (every ikea has them, i assume they are some sort of national food!)
u will have to get used to always being the first person to arrive at church, and you'll probably kiss more people than you're used to at pascha, otherwise you should be alright.
i have friends from church who have relatives in sweden, if you like i can ask them how swedish they are  ;)
the egyptians and sudanese eat even stinkier fish (the method of preservation, i think, is similar to preserving mummies, and it smells just as good) so i think u will fit in just fine :)
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2011, 05:35:16 PM »
Kristus är uppstånden!
May the prayers of all the Orthodox saints of Sweden, including St. Olof the King and Martyr, St. Anna of Novgorod, Sts. Sigfrid and Ansgar the Equals to the Apostles be with you! They pray for the conversion of all of Sweden back to its ancestral faith, Holy Orthodoxy.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2011, 03:57:56 AM »
Kristus är uppstånden!
May the prayers of all the Orthodox saints of Sweden, including St. Olof the King and Martyr, St. Anna of Novgorod, Sts. Sigfrid and Ansgar the Equals to the Apostles be with you! They pray for the conversion of all of Sweden back to its ancestral faith, Holy Orthodoxy.
St. Olav is the Eternal King of Norway!
so all churches and places in Sweden named after "St Olof" are very bad and must be re-named?
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2011, 04:06:41 AM »
Will I have to give up being Swedish when becoming Orthodox?

I didn't have to give up being American. Nor did I have to give up my Polish and Scottish/Norman heritage either when I became Orthodox.

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2011, 05:04:48 AM »
Sannerligen Han är uppstånden!

Kristus är uppstånden!
May the prayers of all the Orthodox saints of Sweden, including St. Olof the King and Martyr, St. Anna of Novgorod, Sts. Sigfrid and Ansgar the Equals to the Apostles be with you! They pray for the conversion of all of Sweden back to its ancestral faith, Holy Orthodoxy.
St. Olav is the Eternal King of Norway!
so all churches and places in Sweden named after "St Olof" are very bad and must be re-named?

St. Olaf used to be popular not just in Norway but in all Scandinavia. Hopefully some day the Scandinavian Orthodox will refound him and revere him as eagerly as their ancestral Scandinavians did.

St. Olaf, pray for us!
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2011, 05:41:11 AM »
First of all, you must learn how to pronounce your vowels correct and get rid of the dark, nassal ones.
Secondly, you have to learn to drink ouzo, tsipouro and šljivovica.
Thirdly, there's no Ulf, Leif or Stig anymore, but Barsanuphrius, Macarius or Vsevolod...   

...and last but not least, please, please, quit eating Surströmming, it's unorthodox.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2011, 06:48:07 AM »
Will I have to give up being Swedish when becoming Orthodox?
Kristus är uppstånden!

Swedish is also my mother tongue and I can confidently say that it still is after several years in the Orthodox Church ;). But I'm guessing you are speaking as much about culture as about language. My Finland-Swedish (finlandssvenska) culture is quite different from the Karelian and Russian culture that dominates parish life in the Finnish Orthodox Church, and it takes some time getting used to, but this does not mean I have had to give up any bit of my own culture (except perhaps Christmas eve traditions, fasting then is so out of sync with cultural tradition).

There is still much work to be done in translating stuff into Swedish but I have great hope for the future of Swedish language and culture within the Orthodox Church.

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2011, 07:14:08 AM »
First of all, you must learn how to pronounce your vowels correct and get rid of the dark, nassal ones.  
???


Secondly, you have to learn to drink ouzo, tsipouro and šljivovica.
Thirdly, there's no Ulf, Leif or Stig anymore, but Barsanuphrius, Macarius or Vsevolod...      
but I want TEA!


Thirdly, there's no Ulf, Leif or Stig anymore, but Barsanuphrius, Macarius or Vsevolod...    
So Henrik is a heterodox name?

...and last but not least, please, please, quit eating Surströmming, it's unorthodox.
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I am a vegetarian so it's not my problem! 
but why can't orthodox people eat fish?
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2011, 07:24:40 AM »
Kristus är uppstånden!

Swedish is also my mother tongue
maybe we should have a forum/thread for the Scandinavian languages! :)

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There is still much work to be done in translating stuff into Swedish but I have great hope for the future of Swedish language and culture within the Orthodox Church.
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It's like if the churches care more about the big language group than the small language group.  :'(
even the Finnish orthodox church seem to be very un-Finnish.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2011, 08:32:30 AM »
 
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I am a vegetarian so it's not my problem!  
but why can't orthodox people eat fish?

Orthodox people do eat fish :) I think there are just some folks here who don't appreciate lovely Scandinavian pickled herring. I, on the other hand, am Scottish and Jewish and consider pickled/marinated fish to be one of the better things in life.

Welcome to Orthodoxy!

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2011, 11:24:01 AM »
It's like if the churches care more about the big language group than the small language group.  :'(
;D Surely we must with a positive attitude conclude that if all this translation work is going to get done we have to do it ourselves.
The Finnish Orthodox Church have had the same problem with translation of texts. Whatever texts are now available in Finnish have been translated by Finnish speaking people in Finland, with financial support from associations dedicated to that cause, and with the blessing of local bishops.
We cannot sit and wait for Moscow or Constantinople to hand us translations from above. Swedish speaking people needs to get engaged.

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2011, 11:43:52 AM »
Kristus är uppstånden!
May the prayers of all the Orthodox saints of Sweden, including St. Olof the King and Martyr, St. Anna of Novgorod, Sts. Sigfrid and Ansgar the Equals to the Apostles be with you! They pray for the conversion of all of Sweden back to its ancestral faith, Holy Orthodoxy.
St. Olav is the Eternal King of Norway!

There are two King-Martyrs of that name.

St. Olaf (Olof Skötkonung or Olaf Eiríksson) III of Sweden, +July 30, 1022, was son of Eric the Victorious, first king of unified Sweden, and St. Olaf II of Norway, +July 29, 1030, was the son of Harald Grenske, great-great-grandchild of Harald Fairhair, the first king of Norway. The two have similarities, but they are two separate persons.
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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2011, 11:52:40 AM »
even the Finnish orthodox church seem to be very un-Finnish.

I don't know if I believe in such things as national cultures. That being said...

Finnish culture as it is usually understood is constructed on basis of Western Finland. So if we believe that Karelian culture dominates the Finnish church then you are indeed correct when you're saying that the Finnish church is a little un-Finnish. But if we go to practical grass-roots level then Karelian or Savonian culture is as much part of Finland as Southwestern and Ostrobothnian areas are. Even if so-called Finnish culture was originally created on basis of Western Finland that mean that it will be always so. Finns have actively...uhm... Finnishized (?) her Eastern parts since 19th century so Eastern Finland and it's cultures are as much part of Finland as are other areas and their culture. Culture is never a homogenous thing. Not even in Finland which is one of the most homogenous countries in the whole World.

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Re: difficult question!!!
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2011, 02:51:58 PM »
Kristus är uppstånden!
May the prayers of all the Orthodox saints of Sweden, including St. Olof the King and Martyr, St. Anna of Novgorod, Sts. Sigfrid and Ansgar the Equals to the Apostles be with you! They pray for the conversion of all of Sweden back to its ancestral faith, Holy Orthodoxy.
St. Olav is the Eternal King of Norway!

There are two King-Martyrs of that name.

St. Olaf (Olof Skötkonung or Olaf Eiríksson) III of Sweden, +July 30, 1022, was son of Eric the Victorious, first king of unified Sweden, and St. Olaf II of Norway, +July 29, 1030, was the son of Harald Grenske, great-great-grandchild of Harald Fairhair, the first king of Norway. The two have similarities, but they are two separate persons.
but the one from Norway is more famous.
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