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« on: April 26, 2011, 12:52:32 AM »

Don't you love to post a question on OC.net, a Internet forum for Christian discussion, just to be told you shouldn't be posting questions about the Christian life on the Internet? How perfect!!!  Undecided Lips Sealed Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 01:25:15 AM »

Don't you love to post a question on OC.net, a Internet forum for Christian discussion, just to be told you shouldn't be posting questions about the Christian life on the Internet? How perfect!!!  Undecided Lips Sealed Roll Eyes
What are you complaining about? Huh Can you give us a specific example?
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 01:37:33 AM »

Don't you love to post a question on OC.net, a Internet forum for Christian discussion, just to be told you shouldn't be posting questions about the Christian life on the Internet? How perfect!!!  Undecided Lips Sealed Roll Eyes
What are you complaining about? Huh Can you give us a specific example?
Okay, I think I see what's drawn your ire:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,35536.msg559983.html#msg559983
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 09:28:35 AM »

As a neutral observer who has not taken part in the thread Peter linked, but has now read it twice - I would say that you overreacted a bit.  The majority of the posts are either answering your questions or backing up your opinion of the one piece of advice you disagreed with.  My advice is, when you think someone is being a donkey, take a step back, chillax, and carry on.  The post you took offense to did seem to come off a little snarky, but no reason to not be cool.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 10:07:17 AM »

Internet communication is difficult because much of the context of regular communication is missing--you don't see the person you're communicating with, you're using text and not speech--so there's no intonation, and often you do not know the person who is writing--so you can't tell what is "normal" for him or her. Please, do not be distressed. It is always good to refrain from emotional investment in what one is discussing, I think. I have to realize that I cannot read people's minds, so I give them the benefit of the doubt. But some of them still drive me crazy. I should not, however, let crazy people make me crazy. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 10:17:50 AM »

Don't you love to post a question on OC.net, a Internet forum for Christian discussion, just to be told you shouldn't be posting questions about the Christian life on the Internet? How perfect!!!  Undecided Lips Sealed Roll Eyes

You know what is ironic?  Starting a thread with a post like this, whilst having the following quote in your sig:

"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike.

St. Athansius the Great"

Now, to your actual beef: if I were you, I would be insulted if someone didn't make the point that seems to have drawn your disapproval.  You theoretically want people to give you complete and honest and accurate answers to your questions - unless, of course, you only post questions that you want a certain type of answer for; in that case, you should just post them on Facebook, since in that venue you can delete comments you don't like.  In that thread that you're ostensibly complaining about, not only did people answer your questions, and answer them before the post-in-question, but your question was also given a bit of context: mid-hours are usually done in monasteries, but not too many of them.  Not only that, but the discussion was allowed to continue, even though the dissenting voice in the thread was none other than that section's moderator - it was not lost on him that your question had been answered, but he felt it necessary, as someone who has formal education regarding the Church's worship cycle and life, to give you the pointers that he gave you.

No one has stopped you from complaining - and no one will, unless you begin complaining about a formal moderatorial decision publicly.  But your premise - that somehow there is a disconnect between the forum's purpose and how certain topics have been treated - seems to be a bit under-supported (unsupported, IMO) by the evidence.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 11:13:38 AM »

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No one has stopped you from complaining - and no one will, unless you begin complaining about a formal moderatorial decision publicly.  But your premise - that somehow there is a disconnect between the forum's purpose and how certain topics have been treated - seems to be a bit under-supported (unsupported, IMO) by the evidence.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 11:34:17 AM »

I also read the thread twice. It's not that questions are not allowed to be asked on the forum, but some questions are better saved for your Spiritual Father/priest.

It's like going on a forum about cancer and asking what the correct dosage of chemo should be. That is a question that is best reserved for your personal physician; not a forum on cancer.

Your question was regarding a prayer rule. Something that is different for each individual. It is best to be prescribed by your Spiritual Father; not a forum.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 12:06:06 PM »

Except my initial question had nothing to do with ME actually praying the mid hours, just how they were implemented within the daily cycle during Bright Week. Perhaps you should read the thread a third time.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2011, 12:15:52 PM »

Except my initial question had nothing to do with ME actually praying the mid hours, just how they were implemented within the daily cycle during Bright Week. Perhaps you should read the thread a third time.
Is it not permitted to ask why you asked the question to begin with? People generally don't ask such questions as you asked purely out of idle curiosity about an abstract topic.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2011, 12:25:59 PM »

It's now an oxymoron because of isolated incidents?
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2011, 12:50:10 PM »

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Sure they do. It happens all the time on OC.net.

And IsmiLiora:

Isolated???  Huh I think you need to spend a little more time on this forum perhaps, if you think it's "isolated".
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2011, 01:03:13 PM »

Well, although I am just a newbie, I have read a lot of the posts, new and old. I agree that there's some point where people are going to just say "Ask your priest!" because that's just the best answer for the question. I don't think the reason in the thread was uncalled for, although it came off very snarky. (Yes, I said snarky.)

Wires get crossed and people make assumptions. This is endemic to ANY message board. That's why you can contact the mods or discuss the problem with the person's comment in the thread.


But honestly, creating a NEW THREAD to complain about it is just even more snarky. Do you honestly think that you are stirring up thoughtful conversation by calling a forum, which has helped many people, an oxymoron in the title? Your tone in the OP sounds like you're baiting and just venting. Forgive me if my assumption is wrong.
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2011, 01:05:49 PM »

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Sure they do. It happens all the time on OC.net.
Have the posters of such questions admitted that that's what they're doing? Otherwise, how can you know for certain? Can you read people's motivations merely by reading their posts? It seems to me you're making assumptions of other people, which fits your definition of arrogant and dangerous.
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2011, 01:20:23 PM »

People generally don't ask such questions as you asked purely out of idle curiosity about an abstract topic.

Some people have a general interest in particular topics, even when they're not directly related to their situation. This forum is full of questions about Old Believers, Copts, Armenians, Assyrians, Latin and Byzantine Catholics, etc. and how these groups conduct their services, without the people asking having any intention of incorporating those elements into their personal lives.

But, of course, there's nothing wrong in asking where a person's interest comes from.
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2011, 01:41:55 PM »

Something else to think about, PFN:

I notice that in one post you mention your desire to pray more and your love for a particular office of prayer, yet your posts so frequently show the same hot-tempered snarkiness that defines this thread. Do you not notice the disconnect?
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2011, 01:47:55 PM »

Something else to think about, PFN:

I notice that in one post you mention your desire to pray more and your love for a particular office of prayer, yet your posts so frequently show the same hot-tempered snarkiness that defines this thread. Do you not notice the disconnect?

Of course, we don't know him save from here.  He might have been much more hot-tempered and snarky before he started to desire to pray more and devote himself to his particular prayer rule.   angel
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2011, 01:51:28 PM »

This thread is rife with assumptions!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2011, 02:01:49 PM »

If I had the ability, I'd have half a mind to lock this thread to teach you all a lesson in how to be an arrogant, dangerous and snarky curmudgeon...


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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2011, 02:13:53 PM »

Christ is risen!
People generally don't ask such questions as you asked purely out of idle curiosity about an abstract topic.

Some people have a general interest in particular topics, even when they're not directly related to their situation. This forum is full of questions about Old Believers, Copts, Armenians, Assyrians, Latin and Byzantine Catholics, etc. and how these groups conduct their services, without the people asking having any intention of incorporating those elements into their personal lives.

But, of course, there's nothing wrong in asking where a person's interest comes from.
I think the problem was that he was clear that it was not idle curiosity, but something he might act on (and hence make the advisor culpable).
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2011, 02:20:58 PM »

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I really enjoy most of what you post PtA. But it does take one to know one. You are Snarkimus Maximus. You could say that I learned all of my best tricks from you.  Shocked And if you don't realize that, then you are disconnected as well.
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2011, 02:24:26 PM »

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I really enjoy most of what you post PtA. But it does take one to know one. You are Snarkimus Maximus. You could say that I learned all of my best tricks from you.  Shocked And if you don't realize that, then you are disconnected as well.

You do realize that you have now entered Pee Wee Herman territory, yes?  The big question is who is Pee Wee and who is Francis...


And now that I've had the last snarky word, I'm following through on my threat and closing this.  No more good can come of this thread and only evil can now follow.

May the risen Lord have mercy on all of us snarky, arrogant and dangerous sinners.
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2011, 02:57:39 PM »

I initially was annoyed so I opened the previous thread. It was mostly meant to be in jest, but a lot of people responded. If I did offend anyone I apologize. I have never had a thread locked before, so I apparently messed up pretty royally. I love you guys. Christ is Risen!

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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2011, 03:32:20 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2011, 05:54:58 PM »

As a general FYI: Do not start new threads to clarify, continue, or otherwise comment on a discussion that has recently been locked.  Yes, sometimes we regret our actions and may feel a need to apologize or clarify - please do this via PM with the appropriate parties.  Circumventing a thread lock by starting a new thread is a warn-able offense and should never be done.

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