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« on: April 25, 2011, 11:54:55 PM »

Before anyone asks, I have used the search function.  Grin

While I am continuing on my path of prayer and inquiry (and continuing to lean eastward), no matter what, I love the idea of an icon corner. I have chosen a corner and understand from reading past threads and web pages that Jesus and Mary are must-haves. My question is, must these icons be solely of Jesus and Mary, or can they be part of a larger icon? In this case, I feel very drawn to this icon:

http://www.comeandseeicons.com/icxc/cst02.jpg

Would it be ok to have this as the Christ icon to start off the icon corner, or is the rule that it should be a "solo" icon like the Pantocrator? No matter what, I am going to have the icon of Jesus blessing the children. It is just a question of it will be my first Christ icon.  Smiley

Also, although I am not Orthodox, would it be appropriate to have an icon of a saint that shares my name? To my knowledge, the only saint Kevin is Kevin of Glendalough, who is pre-schism. I have known of him for +10 years and felt drawn to him not only because of our common name, but also that he is Irish (I am of Irish descent and still have cousins in Ireland). Would it be appropriate to place his icon in the corner, or to wait until if I become Orthodox?

Is there anything else I might consider for my starter kit icon corner? I was planning to add the palm crosses from Palm Sunday and my prayer rope. As with my current path of inquiry, the idea is to start slowly and modestly. Thank you very much.
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 01:08:31 AM »

Your icon corner can be what you want it to be. Some may disagree, but go with icons that you feel drawn to. Having St. Kevin would be fine as well. As far as you not being Orthodox yet, speak with your Priest about a good prayer rule for yourself. Most importantly PRAY!

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 01:06:33 PM »

I second Nicholas' response!

I think it is ideal to eventually have a true matching set of Christ and the Theotokos. That said...it's my opinion! We have fairly detailed rules about how to organize iconography in a temple...not so much for personal use. There are long established traditions (IC XC & MP ΘV matched set, not placing icons higher on the wall than those, always having a patron saint icon, etc.) and I would respect them, but personal prayer is just that...personal.

If you create an icon corner that is condusive to your prayer...then great! That's the goal. To manifest the heavenly Kingdom in a way that makes us focus on that mystical reality. Don't let the little details and little-t traditions get in the way of that (I say this as someone who loves having those traditions and tries to stick to them quite strictly in my own personal prayer life).

As far as continuing a relationship with St. Kevin. Go for it! He's an Orthodox saint, and he shares your name...double whammy! I, as a Protestant convert, was encouraged to find a patron who shared my name. I know Roman Catholic converts at my parish who were not so encouraged (by the same priest who baptized me) and some kept their old patron, if he/she was also an Orthodox saint, or found others that may or may not share their given name. There are also many Protestant converts at my parish who had saint names as given names and yet picked a patron that did not share their name.

In short...if you aren't sure, pray for a patron and research the lives of the saints. Ask others (including your priest) about possible patron saints, how they found theirs if they are an adult convert, etc. In time, you will find the right one.

Of course, this also doesn't mean you can't have a devotion to other saints! I love my patron, but I have a strong devotion to several saints who I love very much. Nothing wrong with that. I assume, coming from a Catholic background, that's nothing new to you.

I also particularly second Nicholas' suggestion to speak with your priest about a prayer rule...and find one you'll actually do day in and day out, and that can grow over time as you grow. And, of course, praying will probably always be a struggle, at least sometimes. I don't believe I've ever spoken with someone who, at no point, felt like their daily rule was kind of a burden. I've felt that way! But, it's also a great joy. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 01:37:54 PM »

Your icon corner can be what you want it to be. Some may disagree, but go with icons that you feel drawn to. Having St. Kevin would be fine as well. As far as you not being Orthodox yet, speak with your Priest about a good prayer rule for yourself. Most importantly PRAY!

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Censer, incense, prayer book, quicklight charcoal, icons (of your choosing), some holy water.


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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 01:44:23 PM »

Your icon corner can be what you want it to be. Some may disagree, but go with icons that you feel drawn to. Having St. Kevin would be fine as well. As far as you not being Orthodox yet, speak with your Priest about a good prayer rule for yourself. Most importantly PRAY!

Need to have items:
Censer, incense, prayer book, quicklight charcoal, icons (of your choosing), some holy water.


What he said. Smiley

Though if you happen to be really broke, like me, the only need to have items are: prayer book (or collection of prayers printed off your favorite jurisdiction's daily prayer web-site section), icons, and some holy water (available for free wherever finer sacraments are dispensed).
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 06:22:15 PM »

In short...if you aren't sure, pray for a patron and research the lives of the saints. Ask others (including your priest) about possible patron saints, how they found theirs if they are an adult convert, etc. In time, you will find the right one.

Of course, this also doesn't mean you can't have a devotion to other saints! I love my patron, but I have a strong devotion to several saints who I love very much. Nothing wrong with that. I assume, coming from a Catholic background, that's nothing new to you.

I also particularly second Nicholas' suggestion to speak with your priest about a prayer rule...and find one you'll actually do day in and day out, and that can grow over time as you grow. And, of course, praying will probably always be a struggle, at least sometimes. I don't believe I've ever spoken with someone who, at no point, felt like their daily rule was kind of a burden. I've felt that way! But, it's also a great joy. Smiley

Thank you very much to you and everyone else who has responded thus far. I very much want to do a IC XC & MP ΘV set; I am just trying to find a IC XC that speaks to me. The icons that really draw me in are not necessarily the ones that are portraits, but the ones that tell a particular story or lesson. For example, Jesus blessing the children and this one of the final judgment. It is not of people flying up to heaven or being thrown to hell:

http://www.comeandseeicons.com/icxc/ati29.htm

I am visiting several websites, so hopefully I can find a nice IC XC. For symmetry, I ideally think I would like to start with four icons: IC XC, MP ΘV, Jesus blessing the children, and St. Kevin.

I did send the priest (I hate to say "the" but I feel improper to say "my" because I am not a member of the church) a follow-up email today about a prayer rule (and other matters). For now, I have just been praying the Jesus prayer on my prayer rope. I am interested to receive his comments.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 07:24:16 PM »

Thank you very much to you and everyone else who has responded thus far. I very much want to do a IC XC & MP ΘV set; I am just trying to find a IC XC that speaks to me. The icons that really draw me in are not necessarily the ones that are portraits, but the ones that tell a particular story or lesson. For example, Jesus blessing the children and this one of the final judgment. It is not of people flying up to heaven or being thrown to hell:

http://www.comeandseeicons.com/icxc/ati29.htm

I am visiting several websites, so hopefully I can find a nice IC XC. For symmetry, I ideally think I would like to start with four icons: IC XC, MP ΘV, Jesus blessing the children, and St. Kevin.

Nothing wrong with liking scenic icons. I have an icon of the Ladder of Divine Ascent that I love. I also want one of the Last Judgment. I'm also looking for a version of the Palm Sunday icon that I like. I was baptized on Palm Sunday.

I think the four icons you listed are a great start! My first four were a IC XC and MP ΘV matched set, and portrait icons of St. Athanasius and the Guardian Angel. I didn't get a patron saint icon until after I was baptized, although I had selected my patron long before (but my patron is somewhat obscure).

I did send the priest (I hate to say "the" but I feel improper to say "my" because I am not a member of the church) a follow-up email today about a prayer rule (and other matters). For now, I have just been praying the Jesus prayer on my prayer rope. I am interested to receive his comments.

If you're attending his parish, receiving spiritual counseling from him, and intend to convert...then he is your priest. Don't feel improper!  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 07:40:58 PM »

I think the four icons you listed are a great start!
Indeed, and really the only four you should ever need (I'm aware you don't even need those four).  Then you can add others, if you feel that they would be appropriate or helpful.

I did send the priest (I hate to say "the" but I feel improper to say "my" because I am not a member of the church) a follow-up email today about a prayer rule (and other matters). For now, I have just been praying the Jesus prayer on my prayer rope. I am interested to receive his comments.

Glad to see an inquirer approaching the subject as neurotically conscientiously as I did.   Grin  I expressed similar caution when referring to the/my priest as well.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 08:18:08 PM »

It is only my opinion, but I think it's better to have the pantokrator as the Christ icon in your ICXC/MPThY pair, because then you will have an icon of each of Christ's first coming (the incarnation, which is really what an icon of the Theotokos and Christ-child is) and his second coming. There is a beautiful theological symmetry there: the alpha and omega of salvation history.

Also, this arrangement parallels the arrangement on the iconostasion, making your icon corner a little church. Having your patron saint there as well mirrors the arrangement of the iconostasion, in that the church's patron saint is normally placed next to the icon of the Theotokos.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 01:37:04 PM »

It is only my opinion, but I think it's better to have the pantokrator as the Christ icon in your ICXC/MPThY pair, because then you will have an icon of each of Christ's first coming (the incarnation, which is really what an icon of the Theotokos and Christ-child is) and his second coming. There is a beautiful theological symmetry there: the alpha and omega of salvation history.

Also, this arrangement parallels the arrangement on the iconostasion, making your icon corner a little church. Having your patron saint there as well mirrors the arrangement of the iconostasion, in that the church's patron saint is normally placed next to the icon of the Theotokos.

Thank you very much for your comment. I believe I have found a Pantocrator icon that appeals to me:

http://www.skete.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=121

My only concern is that the picture is a bit blurred and muted. Is this simply an artifact of the Skete website? For example, this is the icon of Mary I am considering:

http://www.skete.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=22&Category_ID=27

However, at another merchant's site, it looks like this:

http://www.uncutmountainsupply.com/proddetail.asp?prod=12G57

Could anyone who has ordered from Skete please confirm if their icons are as fuzzy and muted as the web site leads me to believe? I would like to think that the issue is with the photo of the icon rather than the icon itself.

FWIW, here is the Pantocrator from Uncut Mountain that I am considering:

http://www.uncutmountainsupply.com/proddetail.asp?prod=11S18

I do prefer the one from Skete, but the largest size is 8x10, while Uncut can make it 11x17. Perhaps 8x10 is large enough? I just have this idea in my head that the icons of Christ and Mary need to be the largest icons in the corner. Of course, if anyone can use their Google fu to find the Skete Pantocrator icon in an 11x17 (or so) size, I would greatly appreciate it. Then again, maybe keeping all the icons around the same size would be more aesthetically pleasing...

Yeah, I'm neurotic.  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 01:53:03 PM »

Yeah, I'm neurotic.  Grin

I can definitely understand that! I can also be a bit neurotic about such things!

I have many icons from skete.com, and in my experience the fuzziness is an aberration of the photo itself. I like their icons very much.

8x10 is pretty large. I mean, we think of 8x10 as a standard photo...but if you're buying a mounted print, it feels bigger than a regular 8x10 photo, because it's a hunk of wood on your wall! That's my feeling on it anyway. Of course, everyone has their own tastes, maybe it would feel too small to you. I don't know. Just offering my two cents! Grin
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 01:56:25 PM »

You don't need a lot either, I think. Historically most families would have had a few icons that were pretty precious all in their self, because they didn't have lacquered prints, there only were hand written icons or cast metal ones.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 04:26:45 PM »

Yeah, I'm neurotic.  Grin

I can definitely understand that! I can also be a bit neurotic about such things!

I have many icons from skete.com, and in my experience the fuzziness is an aberration of the photo itself. I like their icons very much.

8x10 is pretty large. I mean, we think of 8x10 as a standard photo...but if you're buying a mounted print, it feels bigger than a regular 8x10 photo, because it's a hunk of wood on your wall! That's my feeling on it anyway. Of course, everyone has their own tastes, maybe it would feel too small to you. I don't know. Just offering my two cents! Grin

In that case, I think will stick with the 8x10s from Skete.

I also ordered a hand censer and incense yesterday. I am looking forward to their arrival. My six-year-old son really loves the incense at liturgy. He insists that we sit in the front pew so he can see everything that is going on and smell the smoke as the priest censes.

Once I have my icon corner set up, I have little idea how to go about using it. I have requested a prayer rule from my priest and am awaiting a reply, so I imagine I would do that. What else is customary? Are there rules for standing, sitting, or kneeling, or is that left to the worshiper? If I finish before the incense stops smoking, do I put it out or let it finish on its own? I have also read that a vigil lamp should always be burning, but that strikes me as a fire hazard to have an unattended flame.

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2011, 05:12:59 PM »

I also ordered a hand censer and incense yesterday. I am looking forward to their arrival. My six-year-old son really loves the incense at liturgy. He insists that we sit in the front pew so he can see everything that is going on and smell the smoke as the priest censes.

I love it! Be sure he watches close! Does your parish also have a "Divine Liturgy for kids" book? I believe there are several out there, of differing quality. Your son may like that.

Once I have my icon corner set up, I have little idea how to go about using it. I have requested a prayer rule from my priest and am awaiting a reply, so I imagine I would do that.

Morning and evening prayers are traditional. As are Pre-communion prayers, once you're communing. Really just about any rule of prayer you undertake at home (praying canons, akathists, readers services, etc.). For now, just worry about the rule your priest gives you. After you feel like its time to lengthen your rule, consult your priest again and he can help you locate prayers that you might enjoy.

What else is customary?

There are tons of customs about what goes in a prayer corner. A prayer rope, candles and lamps, a blessing cross/wall cross/crucifix. some people will decorate the area with flowers and cloths. Holy water (especially after Theophany), and tons of seasonal items (pussy willows/palms/palm crosses after Palm Sunday, leftover church greenery at Nativity, etc.).

Do what's comfortable to you, and when it doubt, ask your priest!

Are there rules for standing, sitting, or kneeling, or is that left to the worshiper?

I would say that the "default" posture for prayer is standing. However, I know people that will read long sections of the Psalter at home...they will sometimes sit. There are also times to work in kneeling, bows and prostrations. Some people have a set "prostration rule" to make so many prostrations a day. Many will also cross themselves, prostrate and bow at the same prayers they would at church if they are in their personal rules. There is also a personal flavor to this...there aren't really set rubrics for personal prayer, just widely-observed "pious customs."

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f I finish before the incense stops smoking, do I put it out or let it finish on its own?

I usually let mine die out on its own. However, depending on the coal/incense being used, and how its used, letting the incense burn up entirely could create a bad smell, so you may want to clean it out. Again, this is a personal decision.

I have also read that a vigil lamp should always be burning, but that strikes me as a fire hazard to have an unattended flame.

Some people leave vigil lamps burning 24/7, others don't. I personally do not. It's a pious custom to burn an oil lamp continuously...but it's just that...a pious custom.

And the round of "20 Questions" continues... Cheesy

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2011, 05:35:33 PM »

I also ordered a hand censer and incense yesterday. I am looking forward to their arrival. My six-year-old son really loves the incense at liturgy. He insists that we sit in the front pew so he can see everything that is going on and smell the smoke as the priest censes.

I love it! Be sure he watches close! Does your parish also have a "Divine Liturgy for kids" book? I believe there are several out there, of differing quality. Your son may like that.

Yes, they have the "For Kids" book. That book has also been helpful to my wife, who grew up in Japan and has had very little exposure to Christianity except attending a few Masses with me. (this is to my shame) I think the "For Kids" book has actually been more helpful to her than the Japanese version of the Divine Liturgy of St. John that I printed out for her because it has the notations in the margins that explain why everything is happening. (the Japanese text is somewhat archaic and "proclaim-y")

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2011, 07:07:45 PM »

If you've got the money you might consider the very fine reproductions of Master Work icons from this site:
http://www.holycross-hermitage.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=MWIC&keywords=all&template=PDGCommTemplates/TopBotNav/Storebuilder_Type4.html
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2011, 08:45:15 PM »

If you've got the money you might consider the very fine reproductions of Master Work icons from this site:
http://www.holycross-hermitage.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=MWIC&keywords=all&template=PDGCommTemplates/TopBotNav/Storebuilder_Type4.html

Uh oh. That reproduction of the Protection feast is beautiful. I might have to save up for that.
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2011, 01:23:24 PM »

Today, I ordered my Pantocrator and Theotokos icons from Skete. I had been trying to decide which Pantocrator to order for the past several days and as I was comparing again this morning, I got distracted and looked at a website I shouldn't have been. However, after just a few seconds, I remembered one Pantocrator's description containing the phrase, "His eyes probing in His intense awareness of all of our feelings, all our thoughts, and all our actions.  If we were more aware, we might not sin again". I immediately switched to the product page for that icon and looked into its eyes, then quickly closed the window of the inappropriate web page. Since that icon saved me in this instance, I chose it for my icon corner. Or, maybe someone made the choice for me.

Below are the first two icons for the corner:



My wife helped to pick the icon of Mary. I must say that she has been nothing but favorable towards my rediscovered enthusiasm for faith. As I was reading the story of Jesus' baptism to my son last night, she was asking questions! (she and I have had a few adult discussions about faith, but I was surprised that she had a question during our children's story time!) I truly pray that as I endeavor to be the Christian I should have been for the past 10 years of marriage that she will naturally be drawn to the faith as well. I am so happy that my entire family is "on board" with me. The book of children's bible stories arrived from Amazon yesterday and my son did not want to stop reading them!

(for those who've not read my other thread, my wife is Japanese and has only engaged in cultural Buddhism and Shinto. She believes in a creator and an immortal soul, which is actually a good start. What makes it even more surprising to me is that she recently told me that her mother was very anti-religion because my wife's grandmother was heavily involved in a cult based on Buddhism. I was surprised to learn this because my wife's younger sister went to Buddhist parochial school! I suppose there is a lot on this topic that is better suited for another thread.)

Going off on that tangent, my blessed marital situation makes me pain for my nieces because my sister is a non-practicing Catholic who married an atheist. Thank God that she is allowing my parents to have my nieces baptized (RC).
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2011, 08:45:05 AM »

In case anyone is still following, my icons are on the way. Incense arrived in the mail yesterday, so today I fired up the censer and did some morning prayers with my son. As you may recall from earlier in the thread, he loves incense, so he was very excited that we had a censer. However, he informed me that our priest is better at is because he swings around a censer. "Well," I told him, "then we have to go to church tomorrow to see that!"  Smiley

My wife also really liked the smell. I think it is great that she has had such a positive reaction to all of the "at home" elements of faith that I can hope she might join me in it one day.
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2011, 09:03:26 AM »

In case anyone is still following, my icons are on the way. Incense arrived in the mail yesterday, so today I fired up the censer and did some morning prayers with my son. As you may recall from earlier in the thread, he loves incense, so he was very excited that we had a censer. However, he informed me that our priest is better at is because he swings around a censer. "Well," I told him, "then we have to go to church tomorrow to see that!"  Smiley

My turn to ask a question -- is it inappropriate to have one of the "swinging" censers at home?
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2011, 07:49:55 PM »

In case anyone is still following, my icons are on the way. Incense arrived in the mail yesterday, so today I fired up the censer and did some morning prayers with my son. As you may recall from earlier in the thread, he loves incense, so he was very excited that we had a censer. However, he informed me that our priest is better at is because he swings around a censer. "Well," I told him, "then we have to go to church tomorrow to see that!"  Smiley

My turn to ask a question -- is it inappropriate to have one of the "swinging" censers at home?

Yes, those are only for church use, by clergy (bishop, priest, deacon). The hand censers are appropriate for home.
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2011, 08:19:44 PM »

Great to hear of your wife's interest in the faith, Sauron!

Also, beautiful story of the Pantokrator icon, and beautiful choices! I have a small copy of that Theotokos icon. It's my portal icon. Smiley

I love to hear of your wife's curiosity and you and your son's excitement! May the Lord continue to bless you on this journey. Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2011, 09:53:37 PM »

Today, I ordered my Pantocrator and Theotokos icons from Skete. I had been trying to decide which Pantocrator to order for the past several days and as I was comparing again this morning, I got distracted and looked at a website I shouldn't have been. However, after just a few seconds, I remembered one Pantocrator's description containing the phrase, "His eyes probing in His intense awareness of all of our feelings, all our thoughts, and all our actions.  If we were more aware, we might not sin again". I immediately switched to the product page for that icon and looked into its eyes, then quickly closed the window of the inappropriate web page. Since that icon saved me in this instance, I chose it for my icon corner. Or, maybe someone made the choice for me.

Below are the first two icons for the corner:



My wife helped to pick the icon of Mary. I must say that she has been nothing but favorable towards my rediscovered enthusiasm for faith. As I was reading the story of Jesus' baptism to my son last night, she was asking questions! (she and I have had a few adult discussions about faith, but I was surprised that she had a question during our children's story time!) I truly pray that as I endeavor to be the Christian I should have been for the past 10 years of marriage that she will naturally be drawn to the faith as well. I am so happy that my entire family is "on board" with me. The book of children's bible stories arrived from Amazon yesterday and my son did not want to stop reading them!

(for those who've not read my other thread, my wife is Japanese and has only engaged in cultural Buddhism and Shinto. She believes in a creator and an immortal soul, which is actually a good start. What makes it even more surprising to me is that she recently told me that her mother was very anti-religion because my wife's grandmother was heavily involved in a cult based on Buddhism. I was surprised to learn this because my wife's younger sister went to Buddhist parochial school! I suppose there is a lot on this topic that is better suited for another thread.)

Going off on that tangent, my blessed marital situation makes me pain for my nieces because my sister is a non-practicing Catholic who married an atheist. Thank God that she is allowing my parents to have my nieces baptized (RC).

may I also suggest you get one, or print one out and keep it by your computer?  I also struggle with looking at things I shouldn't and find that keepung an icon of Christ and prayer rope by my laptop really help when I feel tempted.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2011, 12:38:56 PM »

Related question- Is it odd to have a icon of a saint which is not your patron saint? ...A friend suggested I pray to St.Phanourios and for his mother partially due to my tendency to lose things a lot. Keep in mind at the point she suggested this my keys had been lost for 3 days and my dress pants for a day or two along several other miscellaneous things. So, I figured if I'm going to go the route of printing out icons why not? Unless there is a reason I'm unaware of.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2011, 12:41:46 PM »

^Nope, nothing wrong with that, many people own icons of saints that are not their patron but which nonetheless have a particular/special significance or purpose.
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2011, 01:34:31 PM »

we don't use home incense in most of the oriental orthodox churches, also we sometimes have printed icons instead of expensive ones! partly, i think to do with the church people mostly not coming from rich countries. but we do stress a lot the importance of regular prayer and Bible study, so i think a prayer book and Bible are the most important things to have in your icon corner!

my favourite icon is one of saint bishoy with the Lord Jesus, his story can be found here:
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he is a bit like the catholic saint Christopher.
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2011, 02:55:44 PM »

Great to hear of your wife's interest in the faith, Sauron!

Also, beautiful story of the Pantokrator icon, and beautiful choices! I have a small copy of that Theotokos icon. It's my portal icon. Smiley

I love to hear of your wife's curiosity and you and your son's excitement! May the Lord continue to bless you on this journey. Smiley

Thank you for your kind post!

To follow-up on a previous post, I was talking with my wife last night about how different denominations have different theologies and that there are some that I think are very wrong. She replied that she does not agree with everything her friends in the bible study group believe. She mentioned that she thinks they are wrong when they speculate as to who is or is not saved; she agrees with the orthodox/RCC position that we cannot know anyone's fate, including our own. So, I think the right path is in her heart, but I continue to keep an eye out for any bad theology that she might come across in her studies.

According to UPS, the ICXC and Theotokos icons should arrive on Thursday; the other icons I ordered from another supplier will come a bit later. I should also receive a corner table by Thursday as well, so I should have a pretty good icon corner starter kit ready to go by then. For now, my son and I do the prayers in the dining room where the corner will be and have the censer burning on the table. I think the incense is frankly the draw for him, but he does an orans posture for the Lord's Prayer in imitation of me, and has also learned how to cross himself in eastern fashion (right to left).  Smiley

I told our priest that I would make a decision this month regarding in which church the children would be baptized. Right now, I believe I will have them baptized in the orthodox church. If so, that will essentially also be my decision to ask to become a catechumen. I would not baptize my children in a church that I did not believe to be the right one. So, that would give us half Japanese, half Irish/Spanish children in a Greek Orthodox church. I don't think there are too many of those running around.  Cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2011, 03:54:12 PM »

sounds good to me!
may God guide u and bless u and your family
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2011, 03:55:04 PM »

sounds good to me!
may God guide u and bless u and your family
 Smiley

The Pantocrator and Theotokos icons arrived yesterday and have since been mounted. My son was very excited, although he is disappointed that there are no candles yet.  Cheesy I have an ETA of next Monday for the other two icons I ordered, so perhaps after they are mounted I can post a picture of my nascent icon corner.

My wife also liked it very much. She said it reminded her very much of a butsudan. For those who might ask, see the below Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butsudan

As an aside, one of her Japanese friends who is (I think) a Baptist sent her a Japanese translation of a Rick Warren book last week. I was wary, but kept my mouth shut. Last night, I asked her how the Rick Warren book was. "I'm not impressed," she said.  Grin Specifically, she did not like faith being treated as a "self-help" vehicle. I am encouraged.
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2011, 03:59:11 PM »

Glad things are coming along... may God bless your family!  And thank you for sharing Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2011, 03:59:25 PM »

Sauron, I am happy for you and your family.
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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2011, 10:28:07 PM »

The last of the icons of my initial four arrived today, so now I can present it. Wide angle and close-up:





As described earlier in the thread, the icons are Theotokos, Pantocrator, Jesus blesses the children, and St. Kevin of Glenalough. My wife particularly likes Jesus blessing the children. She asked me to place it on that wall so she can see it from our kitchen.

Hopefully there is nothing inappropriate. My children love to light the candles at church, so I ordered some beeswax candles and made a little sandbox for them. I think of one candle being for the living, and one for the departed.

I told myself the next icons would be for my children's patron saints after they are baptized.

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« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2011, 11:24:03 PM »

It's really Beautiful
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Very nice and very clean.
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It's really Beautiful
Simple and beautiful.  A hanging iconlamp with oil would be very nice to add to it.
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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2011, 02:28:03 PM »

Here In Chicago, in The Greek Town neighborhood Jackson St. And Halsted St.,there's a Greek all Religion's Goods Store , Sells About Everthing including pagan, wiccan, Budist, Catholic ,and Eastern Orthodox Goods, and other things,like spray in a can to ward off evil spirits, and Blessing Spray's in a can after you used the other can first, Charms, It's all there  Grin....I Bought Frankincense by the pound and Big box of self igniting charcoal......

They get alot of people that Fear Lighting Candles at there Home, So they Have a area a ikon corner when you purchase a candle you can light it ,and have them place it in there  ikon corner for you even the Gigantic candles that last along time...... Grin
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2011, 02:58:53 PM »

Thank you very much to all who have complimented the corner. I am happy with it. I am sure it will grow in time but I think it does the job nicely. My major problem is try to keep my children from fiddling with the candles and censer while I am leading the prayers (they are 6 and 3).  Cheesy

I finally got some real frankincense resin. That is some potent stuff. A half-teaspoon was enough to waft through the entire house!

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« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2011, 11:27:01 AM »

Thank you very much to all who have complimented the corner. I am happy with it. I am sure it will grow in time but I think it does the job nicely. My major problem is try to keep my children from fiddling with the candles and censer while I am leading the prayers (they are 6 and 3).  Cheesy

I finally got some real frankincense resin. That is some potent stuff. A half-teaspoon was enough to waft through the entire house!



I think your icon corner looks great, and real frankincense resin is far and away my preferred incense; though, you are right - little bit goes a long way. I usually use just a grain or two (when I use it, which is not often, but there are some pious people who cense the icons in every room of the house every day).

One thing that people haven't mentioned is that it is usual to have a Gospel Book and blessing Cross in the icon corner where you say your prayers. And you kiss the Cross and Gospel (in that order) at the beginning and end of your prayer rule for a blessing in the absence of a priest. Here are some pictures, which I hope display:

<img src="http://www.jamesdna.net/Photos/chapel-to the East.jpg">
<img src="http://www.jamesdna.net/Photos/Chapel-West view.jpg">


My apologies for the poor quality. I am not much of a photographer. The first two are of the chapel I made in a spare bedroom of my house when a group of us were first getting together to form a parish and we were doing reader services. The main reason I show it, is for the lectern, which is typical of the kind of lectern you find in Russian Orthodox icon corners. I made this one myself, and a friend sewed the covering for me. As you can see, this is how the Cross and Gospel are usually displayed, with the Cross on the right. There are a couple of shelves, which you can't see, behind the covering. These are handy for holding your prayer books, psalter, Bible, holy water, dried antidoron for daily consumption, etc.

The third photo is of the icon corner in my dining room. This is a more typical icon corner (minus the lecturn, since, in my house, that is in the upstairs chapel). In families, the main icon corner is often in the dining room, especially if the family says morning and evening prayers together.

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« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2011, 12:18:44 PM »

Does anyone know where I can perhaps buy icons online?  My parish is not always supplied with what I would like, nor in a timely manner.   Sad

Also, does anyone know how you hang icons up on a wall?  I wouldn't want to do anything with nails I know, as that would damage the iconostasis.. :| Undecided
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« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2011, 12:31:30 PM »

If you've got the money you might consider the very fine reproductions of Master Work icons from this site:
http://www.holycross-hermitage.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=MWIC&keywords=all&template=PDGCommTemplates/TopBotNav/Storebuilder_Type4.html

Uh oh. That reproduction of the Protection feast is beautiful. I might have to save up for that.

Save up?  You mean take out a loan!  Jiminy Christmas!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2011, 12:43:34 PM »

Does anyone know where I can perhaps buy icons online?  My parish is not always supplied with what I would like, nor in a timely manner.   Sad

Also, does anyone know how you hang icons up on a wall?  I wouldn't want to do anything with nails I know, as that would damage the iconostasis.. :| Undecided

I use 3M Command strips for hanging my icons. They will not damage the wall.
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« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2011, 01:25:22 PM »

Here is ours:

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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2011, 01:46:18 PM »

i love all these pictures  Smiley
i just have 1 icon in the living room.
it is a print onto wood, and i don't think it cost more than £5 - £10 (GBP)
and it is very beautiful. so no-one should need to take out a loan!
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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2011, 02:25:19 AM »

I think if I could, I would put icons around my entire room.. it would be very nice and definitley keep a spiritual presence to there.  What do you guys think?  Just everytime you look at a wall, there's an icon there..  could you imagine that?
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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2011, 12:29:17 PM »

Does anyone know where I can perhaps buy icons online?  My parish is not always supplied with what I would like, nor in a timely manner.   Sad

Also, does anyone know how you hang icons up on a wall?  I wouldn't want to do anything with nails I know, as that would damage the iconostasis.. :| Undecided

Conciliar Press sells icons and other supplies for your icon corner, which they call a 'home altar'. They used to sell a special triangular shelf for your icon corner, but I didn't find any just now after a quick search of the site

http://www.conciliarpress.com/icons-1.html

There are numerous other online places:

St. Vladimir's Seminary Bookstore
St. Tikhon's Seminary Bookstore
Holy Cross/Hellenic College Bookstore
Liturgica.com
http://bookstore.jordanville.org/

etc., etc.

A shelf (with a lip on it to keep the icons from accidentally sliding off) is definitely the best way to display icons. Anybody with reasonable carpentry skills can make an attractive custom shelf, as well as the lectern that traditionally is placed under it for the Gospel and blessing Cross (putting shelves in the lectern provides a handy place for books and other supplies). However, if you have the money, want something beautiful, and want to help a priest support himself, Fr. George Zelenin of St. Michael's Russian Orthodox Cathedral is a master craftsman and makes exquisite lecterns, custom icon-frames for hand-painted icons, or any other custom-made wooden religious item you wish. If you go to

http://stxenia.org/photos.html

and click on the first slide show (for the church building) you will find a photo of the inlaid lectern that stands beside the altar, which is an excellent example of Fr. George's work.

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