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« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2011, 04:25:02 PM »

I like the Byzantine-Slav liturgy myself, and I have to admit that the Russians do it very nicely, but I wouldn't put down the rites of other Churches.

Here are some excerpts from a lovely Lenten liturgy in Christ the Savior Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXq_N9iQY_g
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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2011, 04:32:10 PM »

I like the Byzantine-Slav liturgy myself, and I have to admit that the Russians do it very nicely, but I wouldn't put down the rites of other Churches.

Here are some excerpts from a lovely Lenten liturgy in Christ the Savior Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXq_N9iQY_g


Please, by all means, call the Archbishop of LA and put down this "Rite".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5it20gKqw&feature=related

I have no problem with legitimate criticism. I just don't like criticism because it's not the Rite of Constantinople.

But there are a lot of liturgical shenanigans that need to be fixed.
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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2011, 04:35:49 PM »

I like the Byzantine-Slav liturgy myself, and I have to admit that the Russians do it very nicely, but I wouldn't put down the rites of other Churches.

Here are some excerpts from a lovely Lenten liturgy in Christ the Savior Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXq_N9iQY_g


Please, by all means, call the Archbishop of LA and put down this "Rite".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5it20gKqw&feature=related

I have no problem with legitimate criticism. I just don't like criticism because it's not the Rite of Constantinople.
Do you believe that that is a normative liturgy in the Roman Church?   I see no problem with pointing out abusive practices and distortions of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite mass.  Perhaps if these types of abuses were stopped the newer rite of the mass might become attractive to Roman Catholic traditionalists.

P.S. - I do not believe that I have criticized any rite for not being "the Rite of Constantinople," even though that is the particular rite in which I have found my spiritual home.
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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2011, 04:38:07 PM »

Hmm. Alright. I don't really see that way, but then again I'm not Greek or Syriac Maronite. To each their own, I suppose.
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« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2011, 04:40:09 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5it20gKqw&feature=related

. . .

But there are a lot of liturgical shenanigans that need to be fixed.
I agree. 
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« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2011, 04:41:08 PM »

I like the Byzantine-Slav liturgy myself, and I have to admit that the Russians do it very nicely, but I wouldn't put down the rites of other Churches.

Here are some excerpts from a lovely Lenten liturgy in Christ the Savior Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXq_N9iQY_g


Please, by all means, call the Archbishop of LA and put down this "Rite".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5it20gKqw&feature=related

I have no problem with legitimate criticism. I just don't like criticism because it's not the Rite of Constantinople.

But there are a lot of liturgical shenanigans that need to be fixed.
Do you believe that that is a normative liturgy in the Roman Church?   I see no problem with pointing out abusive practices and distortions of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite mass.  Perhaps if these types of abuses were stopped the newer rite of the mass might become attractive to Roman Catholic traditionalists.
It depends on what you mean by normative.

No, that's out of the ordinary, but I see liturgical shenanigans, sometimes very bad, at almost every Mass I go to except my home parish.

And that's not including the commonplace place but still terrible shenanigans such as: extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion and versus populum. Those, really, have no place in the tradition of the Church.

These things need to be fixed.
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« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2011, 04:43:01 PM »

I like the Byzantine-Slav liturgy myself, and I have to admit that the Russians do it very nicely, but I wouldn't put down the rites of other Churches.

Here are some excerpts from a lovely Lenten liturgy in Christ the Savior Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXq_N9iQY_g


Please, by all means, call the Archbishop of LA and put down this "Rite".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5it20gKqw&feature=related

I have no problem with legitimate criticism. I just don't like criticism because it's not the Rite of Constantinople.

But there are a lot of liturgical shenanigans that need to be fixed.
Do you believe that that is a normative liturgy in the Roman Church?   I see no problem with pointing out abusive practices and distortions of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite mass.  Perhaps if these types of abuses were stopped the newer rite of the mass might become attractive to Roman Catholic traditionalists.
It depends on what you mean by normative.

No, that's out of the ordinary, but I see liturgical shenanigans, sometimes very bad, at almost every Mass I go to except my home parish.

And that's not including the commonplace place but still terrible shenanigans such as: extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion and versus populum. Those, really, have no place in the tradition of the Church.

These things need to be fixed.
Yes, I agree.  I attended mass for 18 years as a Roman Catholic in the Diocese of Oakland, and so I know what it is like to suffer through liturgical abuses, even those that are performed out of a misguided attempt to make the liturgy "relevant," whatever that means.
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« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2011, 04:45:18 PM »

I like the Byzantine-Slav liturgy myself, and I have to admit that the Russians do it very nicely, but I wouldn't put down the rites of other Churches.

Here are some excerpts from a lovely Lenten liturgy in Christ the Savior Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXq_N9iQY_g


Please, by all means, call the Archbishop of LA and put down this "Rite".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5it20gKqw&feature=related

I have no problem with legitimate criticism. I just don't like criticism because it's not the Rite of Constantinople.

But there are a lot of liturgical shenanigans that need to be fixed.
Do you believe that that is a normative liturgy in the Roman Church?   I see no problem with pointing out abusive practices and distortions of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite mass.  Perhaps if these types of abuses were stopped the newer rite of the mass might become attractive to Roman Catholic traditionalists.
It depends on what you mean by normative.

No, that's out of the ordinary, but I see liturgical shenanigans, sometimes very bad, at almost every Mass I go to except my home parish.

And that's not including the commonplace place but still terrible shenanigans such as: extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion and versus populum. Those, really, have no place in the tradition of the Church.

These things need to be fixed.
Yes, I agree.  I attended mass for 18 years as a Roman Catholic in the Diocese of Oakland, and so I know what it is like to suffer through liturgical abuses, even those that are performed out of a misguided attempt to make the liturgy "relevant," whatever that means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4Nx0rNlAM

If you were ever Protestant (as I was) then you will find this video hilarious.
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« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2011, 04:49:47 PM »

I like the Byzantine-Slav liturgy myself, and I have to admit that the Russians do it very nicely, but I wouldn't put down the rites of other Churches.

Here are some excerpts from a lovely Lenten liturgy in Christ the Savior Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXq_N9iQY_g


Please, by all means, call the Archbishop of LA and put down this "Rite".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5it20gKqw&feature=related

I have no problem with legitimate criticism. I just don't like criticism because it's not the Rite of Constantinople.

But there are a lot of liturgical shenanigans that need to be fixed.
Do you believe that that is a normative liturgy in the Roman Church?   I see no problem with pointing out abusive practices and distortions of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite mass.  Perhaps if these types of abuses were stopped the newer rite of the mass might become attractive to Roman Catholic traditionalists.
It depends on what you mean by normative.

No, that's out of the ordinary, but I see liturgical shenanigans, sometimes very bad, at almost every Mass I go to except my home parish.

And that's not including the commonplace place but still terrible shenanigans such as: extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion and versus populum. Those, really, have no place in the tradition of the Church.

These things need to be fixed.
Yes, I agree.  I attended mass for 18 years as a Roman Catholic in the Diocese of Oakland, and so I know what it is like to suffer through liturgical abuses, even those that are performed out of a misguided attempt to make the liturgy "relevant," whatever that means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4Nx0rNlAM

If you were ever Protestant (as I was) then you will find this video hilarious.
That is hilarious; and yes, I was a Protestant until the age of 25.
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« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2011, 06:46:32 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4Nx0rNlAM

If you were ever Protestant (as I was) then you will find this video hilarious.

Nope, sorry, all it got out of me was a "meh"  angel
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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2011, 08:01:14 PM »

But I'm sick of the Greek superiority complex (and it's been inherited by all the Churches which follow the Greek Rite).

For whatever it's worth to you, I personally feel that this forum has, no so much a Greek superiority complex, but a little anti-Western bias. It really amazed me to read your earlier post:

... please just restrain yourselves and realize that you're talking about real Christians who have a very deep and rich history and a beautiful liturgy.

But please, go ahead, make as many comments about the modern Roman liturgy as you like.
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« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2011, 08:30:18 PM »

Here are some excerpts from a lovely Lenten liturgy in Christ the Savior Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXq_N9iQY_g

Nice!  Smiley
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