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« on: April 20, 2011, 07:31:46 PM »

Although it has not happened in any of J.K. Rowling's novels, Harry Potter may experience a conversion to Orthodox Christianity, in a play by a Tatarstan priest.

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He heads to Jerusalem to see the descent of the Holy Flame with his new friends – Anastas and Agniya, two Orthodox siblings he met along the way.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2011, 09:47:52 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2011, 10:15:42 PM »

This is wonderful! Harry Potter is already very compatible with ORthodoxy, according to Bishop Auxentios of Photiki.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2011, 12:16:24 PM »

One thing...why was he moved right when his "play" was about to make headlines in St. petersberg?  Coincidence?  I think not...
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2011, 01:32:24 PM »



Looks like a rood screen behind him. Very (English) Orthodox indeed. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 02:27:14 PM »

Rood screen?!?

Good thing we have the smilies.  Wink

That's the Headmaster's office with portraits of previous masters and I think it's Prof. McGonnigal in the background.

And it looks a lot more collegial/gothic type to me.  Grin

Otoh, the premise of the item in the OP sounds errmmm, dubious.

Just for one the idea that Harry's parents had him EO baptized... in a small English village, Godric's Hollow... where they're buried in the churchyard... which the reader learns about as the church is having Christmas Eve services....in a very English/Anglican sort of feeling? 

No offense against the priest, but it doesn't fit in a literary kind of way, I don't think.  It's some of his ideas with names attached from another work. 

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2011, 03:14:50 PM »

Although it has not happened in any of J.K. Rowling's novels, Harry Potter may experience a conversion to Orthodox Christianity, in a play by a Tatarstan priest.

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He heads to Jerusalem to see the descent of the Holy Flame with his new friends – Anastas and Agniya, two Orthodox siblings he met along the way.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2011, 03:20:55 PM »

^      I can't see it happening in the world and people that Rowling wrote. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2011, 11:06:07 PM »

I wonder how many other Harry Potter fanfics have been written by priests. The premise seems kind of dubious within the Harry Potter universe, but I don't mind it as an alternate universe. If it makes its way stateside (preferably Ohioside) I'll check it out.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 12:20:16 AM »

Somebody needs to say how incredibly stupid this is.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2011, 02:02:38 AM »

Somebody needs to say how incredibly stupid this is.

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2011, 11:26:19 AM »

Somebody needs to say how incredibly stupid this is.

Agreed. It strikes me as the bane of the typical fanfic writer. Trying to bend the source material to fit their own interests or outlooks. Not that I think much of the Potter books as literature, although I don't regard them as evil or promoting learning evilllllll magics as is often maintained.
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2011, 08:05:41 AM »

Somebody needs to say how incredibly stupid this is.

I thought that I was... only politely.    Wink

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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2011, 10:28:38 PM »

I wonder how many other Harry Potter fanfics have been written by priests.

Hopefully none of the thousands of Draco x Harry fanfics of dubious spiritual value!

Given that Rowling has a penchant for revealing things about her characters which are not explicit in the text (Dumbledore being gay, anyone?), perhaps we will learn something of the spiritual lives of her characters at some future point. I'd be happy if they at least turned out to be Anglican.
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2011, 11:13:07 PM »

(Dumbledore being gay, anyone?)

Right, because nothing added to the value of the books like knowing that Dumbledore engaged in anal sexual intercourse.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2011, 11:28:13 PM »

(Dumbledore being gay, anyone?)

Right, because nothing added to the value of the books like knowing that Dumbledore engaged in anal sexual intercourse.

Indeed.

Do you think perhaps this relevation detracted from the value of the story in that instead of Dumbledore being seduced by Grindlewald's ideas, he was seduced by Grindlewald's man parts/physique, force of personality or a combination of both?
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2011, 11:34:36 PM »

Do you think perhaps this relevation detracted from the value of the story in that instead of Dumbledore being seduced by Grindlewald's ideas, he was seduced by Grindlewald's man parts/physique, force of personality or a combination of both?

All it makes me wonder about is all of those times that the other wizards spoke so highly of his skills with his wand...
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Do you think perhaps this relevation detracted from the value of the story in that instead of Dumbledore being seduced by Grindlewald's ideas, he was seduced by Grindlewald's man parts/physique, force of personality or a combination of both?

All it makes me wonder about is all of those times that the other wizards spoke so highly of his skills with his wand...

True dat.

There are whole lists of Harry Potter wand-related innuendos to be found on the internet which I shall refrain from posting here, hahah.
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Somebody needs to say how incredibly stupid this is.
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2011, 03:28:01 AM »

(Dumbledore being gay, anyone?)

Right, because nothing added to the value of the books like knowing that Dumbledore engaged in anal sexual intercourse.
To my awareness, Rowling never talked about his sex life, only his orientation. So if we choose, we can view him as a sort of fictional Seraphim of Platina: exemplifying celibacy in spite of homosexual temptations, all the while toting a very sweet beard.
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2011, 10:22:54 AM »

To my awareness, Rowling never talked about his sex life, only his orientation.

That's because at this point it's only socially acceptable to commended "gayness" in the abstract. Once you get into the dirty details, it immediately becomes as repugnant as it actually is.
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2011, 10:57:12 AM »

Harry Potter to be become well written? New play explores the possibility. What me biased against the HP books? Never. At least not with regard to the usual silly charge about them teaching 'evillllllllll magic spells and so forth.'
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2011, 11:03:39 AM »

Harry Potter to be become well written? New play explores the possibility. What me biased against the HP books? Never. At least not with regard to the usual silly charge about them teaching 'evillllllllll magic spells and so forth.'

They are what they are, a complex and intriguing set of children's stories. Good prevails over evil throughout and if a child's imagination is opened to the mysteries of the unseen, then this is not a bad thing, just as with the works of Tolkien.
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To my awareness, Rowling never talked about his sex life, only his orientation.

Once you get into the dirty details, it immediately becomes as repugnant as it actually is.

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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2011, 11:09:54 AM »

To my awareness, Rowling never talked about his sex life, only his orientation.

That's because at this point it's only socially acceptable to commended "gayness" in the abstract. Once you get into the dirty details, it immediately becomes as repugnant as it actually is.

Do you mean commend or condemn there? Many books commend actively gay characters who are non-celibate, just as many condemn an active sexual lifestyle. I can think plenty of characters from avariety of media who are openly gay and have active sexual lifes revovling around that and are not portrayed negatively as a result.
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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2011, 11:16:11 AM »

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Right, because nothing added to the value of the books like knowing that Dumbledore engaged in anal sexual intercourse.
Why do you assUme that it was anal intercourse?
To my awareness, Rowling never talked about his sex life, only his orientation.

Once you get into the dirty details, it immediately becomes as repugnant as it actually is.

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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2011, 05:28:16 PM »

I still think Dumbledore being manipulated by Grindelwald's perfect jawline and/or broad shoulders and/or mischievious smile and/or sexy umentionables does great disservice to his character, whether he practised the love that dare not speak its name or not.

I just hate how everything has to involve a sexual element these days. Can people not have non-sexual motivations for thinking/doing things?

Why can't an idea be sexier than a piece of flesh? God forbid someone should exist in the intellectual realm, rather than solely the fleshly.

By the way, I don't think Dumbledore being gay does anything to advance positive views of homosexuality. After all, it is implied that it was his sexual orientation that led him to subscribe to Grindlewald's evil ideas. It seems to me that Rowling (unintentionally?) painted homosexuality as a gateway to evil.

Has anyone read her comments about Narnia and how Lewis was an evil misogynist for "damning" Susan in the final book? Whatever her personal ethos and moral code is, it certainly doesn't rise to the level of Lewis's Christianity.
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2011, 05:33:52 PM »

Is she not aware that Lewis pointed out Susan's story was not yet finished and might well have been carried on later were it not for Lewis' death. Also if he is a misogynist for that aspect of the story that is contradicted by the fact that of all the character Lucy has the most profound faith throughout the books.
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Is she not aware that Lewis pointed out Susan's story was not yet finished and might well have been carried on later were it not for Lewis' death. Also if he is a misogynist for that aspect of the story that is contradicted by the fact that of all the character Lucy has the most profound faith throughout the books.

Totally agreed re Lucy.

Apparently Rowling objects to Susan being "damned" for being more concerned about lipsticks and party invitations (ie: worldly things) than Narnia (ie: spiritual things). She understands this as meaning Susan is "damned" for discovering female sexuality. Such profound genius and understanding of Christianity she possesses.
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Into what? Shocked

Into whatever he's imagining is going on.  Cool
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Agreed. It strikes me as the bane of the typical fanfic writer. Trying to bend the source material to fit their own interests or outlooks.

It did strike me as being fanfic and badly done at that.  There was a streak of "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" in the story line.
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I considered writing a fan fiction about Viktor Krum's Orthodox faith in which he contemplates the miracle performed by a Muggle at the Eucharist that he, with all his powers, cannot duplicate.
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I considered writing a fan fiction about Viktor Krum's Orthodox faith in which he contemplates the miracle performed by a Muggle at the Eucharist that he, with all his powers, cannot duplicate.
That actually sounds quite fascinating. If you ever do write it, I would definitely like to read it.
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I considered writing a fan fiction about Viktor Krum's Orthodox faith in which he contemplates the miracle performed by a Muggle at the Eucharist that he, with all his powers, cannot duplicate.

I'm trying to recall if there is any mention of Krum having any particular faith in the books.  Harry's parents with the churchyard burial and the Bible passages are there.  But I don't recall that Viktor Krum was much more that a athletic teenage/young adult wizard.  How would you make it fit in the character and world of the books, one wonders.
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« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2011, 01:16:55 PM »

Is she not aware that Lewis pointed out Susan's story was not yet finished and might well have been carried on later were it not for Lewis' death. Also if he is a misogynist for that aspect of the story that is contradicted by the fact that of all the character Lucy has the most profound faith throughout the books.

Totally agreed re Lucy.

Apparently Rowling objects to Susan being "damned" for being more concerned about lipsticks and party invitations (ie: worldly things) than Narnia (ie: spiritual things). She understands this as meaning Susan is "damned" for discovering female sexuality. Such profound genius and understanding of Christianity she possesses.

And totally missing the point since Lewis presents several other female characters in his work who are well aware of the power of their own female sexuality and are neither ashamed of it nor trumpet but treat it as one part of their make up. Now I have to admit both Lewis (and to a less extent his colleague Tolkien) often get hit with the, 'they were donnish old fogeys and did not understand women.' There's some small amount of truth in that but to suggest Lewis was so foolish as to imagine lipsticks and party invites and stocking constitute the whole of female sexuality would be to assume the man was very stupid indeed. Also Tolkien who normally gets the short end of the stick in this regards as well understood women perfectly well in my opinion and far better than he is often given credit for. The normal complaint unleashed at him is the lack of female characters in the LOTR. Which is true......for a given value of truth and forgets that female characters do appear in his other works on many, many occassions.

Susan simply represents (as did Edmund) before her as you pointed out a concern with the worldly and valuing it above all other things.
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This is actually a great idea to make Harry Potter oRTHODOX. tHIS WILL BE A TRUE CONFIRMATION THAT rOWLING ACTUALLY WROTE ABOUT gOD, NOT MAGIC. Oh shoot, my caps lock was just on by mistake.
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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2012, 06:28:37 PM »

This is actually a great idea to make Harry Potter oRTHODOX. tHIS WILL BE A TRUE CONFIRMATION THAT rOWLING ACTUALLY WROTE ABOUT gOD, NOT MAGIC. Oh shoot, my caps lock was just on by mistake.
God is deep magic.

I always figured that the deep magic was beyond, and greater than, God.
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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2012, 06:40:05 PM »

Someone post the video when someone spoils Snape kills Dumbledore to those waiting in line for the book.

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« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2012, 06:41:41 PM »

This is actually a great idea to make Harry Potter oRTHODOX. tHIS WILL BE A TRUE CONFIRMATION THAT rOWLING ACTUALLY WROTE ABOUT gOD, NOT MAGIC. Oh shoot, my caps lock was just on by mistake.
God is deep magic.

I always figured that the deep magic was beyond, and greater than, God.
Essence/Energy distinction
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