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Offline Basil 320

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Re: The Holy Light
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2011, 03:41:22 AM »
I think that after over 1,000 years of recorded descriptions of the miracle of the Holy Fire, if it were a fraud, someone would have revealed what the fraud is.  Someone with an ax to grind, like the previous Patriarch who is hold up in the Patriarchal residence, would have cause to leak what fraud was being perpetrated.  No, this has to be a manifestation of the the "Light," which we pray for at midnight every Pascha, "Come receive the Light, from the Unwaining Light..."  (Recall too, the one year the Light did not manefest itself, when the Armenian's had convinced the Ottoman Turks to allow the Armenian Patriarch to be the prime recipient.)  As to the possibilities of the phosphorus being the cause of the ignition, I'm sure the Israeli security forces, or the Ottoman's before them over the centuries, would not have hesitated to reveal its existence if they knew or suspected it as the source of the Fire.
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Re: The Holy Light
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2011, 04:04:44 AM »
(Recall too, the one year the Light did not manefest itself, when the Armenian's had convinced the Ottoman Turks to allow the Armenian Patriarch to be the prime recipient.) 

It did:
It is also claimed that in 1579, the Armenian patriarch Hovhannes I of Constantinople prayed day and night in order to obtain the holy fire, but lightning miraculously struck a column near the entrance and lit a candle held by the Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem Sophronius IV standing nearby.[5] Upon entering the temple, the Orthodox Christians would embrace this column, which bears marks and a large crack that they attribute to the lightning-bolt.

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Re: The Holy Light
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2011, 12:47:49 AM »
(Recall too, the one year the Light did not manefest itself, when the Armenian's had convinced the Ottoman Turks to allow the Armenian Patriarch to be the prime recipient.)  

It did:
It is also claimed that in 1579, the Armenian patriarch Hovhannes I of Constantinople prayed day and night in order to obtain the holy fire, but lightning miraculously struck a column near the entrance and lit a candle held by the Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem Sophronius IV standing nearby.[5] Upon entering the temple, the Orthodox Christians would embrace this column, which bears marks and a large crack that they attribute to the lightning-bolt.

Why then do the Armenians revere the fire if it disrespects them

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Re: The Holy Light
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2011, 07:27:06 AM »
Why then do the Armenians revere the fire if it disrespects them
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I've heard that in their version of the story it were Armenians who were outside.