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"With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« on: May 06, 2008, 11:41:26 PM »
On another thread, I was surprised to discover that somebody's priest wears not only a wedding band, but another ring on the other hand...

As far as I know, none of our clergymen wear rings of any type-not even a wedding band if they are married.

Why the difference?
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 12:19:11 AM »
Yikes.  This topic can get a bit messy, because I've heard people on all sides argue about the Priest wearing his wedding band.  The positions I've encountered are:

(a) Wedding band yes, even during Liturgy.
(b) Wedding band yes, but not during Liturgy.
(c) Wedding band no, and especially not during Liturgy.

I happen to support (a) personally.  The priests of the GOA generally fall into either (a) or (b), and the difference is probably generational (i.e. it depends on what influences they had from their hometown priests and, especially, seminary professors and bishops).

Would I wear an additional ring?  It depends on what's on it, but probably not.  I wouldn't wear any type of jewlery (other rings, watch, wristband/etc.) save my wedding band (and the cross around my neck) at Liturgy, though. 
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2008, 12:29:50 AM »
What I have seen at my church is the priest will wear his wedding ring and watch during the first part of the liturgy, before the Chalice is on the altar.  Then right before the great entrance, he removes them.  I've seen other priests do this too.  I actually think it is part of the ceremony (What's the proper word--rubrics?)  He also removes his crown at that time.

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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2008, 12:32:04 AM »
What I have seen at my church is the priest will wear his wedding ring and watch during the first part of the liturgy, before the Chalice is on the altar.  Then right before the great entrance, he removes them.  I've seen other priests do this too.  I actually think it is part of the ceremony (What's the proper word--rubrics?)  He also removes his crown at that time.

Ahh.  Our priests don't wear the crown, but the Bishop does, and he removes it before the Great Entrance as well.  However, I've never seen a clergyman remove his wedding ring at that point.  Most of the priests I know don't wear their watches at Liturgy either - they either have them with their wallet off to the side, or sitting on a surface (the Altar Table, a vesting table, etc.) so they can see it.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2008, 12:55:05 AM »
The two rings is something unique to America, it is done by several Orthodox girls I know so that there is no confusion that she is married. One girl I know was wearing her ring on the traditional right hand hand and was constantly being hit on and asked out at work so she decided to start wearing a second ring on her left hand.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2008, 09:11:53 AM »
My hierarch is fine with his married priests wearing their wedding rings during the Liturgy, and as such both my proistamenos as well as myself keep our wedding rings on during the Church services.

One concern I would have is this: if I were to take my ring off, would I lose or misplace it? I'm notorious for forgetting things, and I lost nearly two hours of time this week when I had gone to a shopping mall and lost track of where I parked my car. I had to wait for the mall to close and walk around the parking lot until I found it.

I'd really be hesitant to have to tell Presbytera that I lost my wedding band...that would not go well. Not well at all!  :D
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2008, 09:40:47 AM »
I think it is a bad idea to wear a wedding ring when serving because the particles of Holy Communion could get stuck under the ring.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 09:59:41 AM »
I think it is a bad idea to wear a wedding ring when serving because the particles of Holy Communion could get stuck under the ring. 

That's a major rationale that I've heard for not wearing it.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2008, 10:36:33 AM »
^^Yes...that is the only reason that I may consider changing my practice, and potentially face the wrath of Presbytera: the wrath of God would be even more severe.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 10:54:11 AM »
She can't go two hours with you not having it on? When you are standing right in front of her? lol ;)

When I serve I attach it to my baptismal cross so it won't get lost. Of course, I have only served twice so far hehe
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 10:58:57 AM »
^^The big issue is...if I take it off, where will I put it so I'll find it later?

Maybe I could put my ring with my car keys, so I'll not be able to leave the Church until I find my ring. Hmm...
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 11:00:36 AM »
^^The big issue is...if I take it off, where will I put it so I'll find it later?

Maybe I could put my ring with my car keys, so I'll not be able to leave the Church until I find my ring. Hmm...

Sounds like a workable plan.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 02:04:56 PM »
^^The big issue is...if I take it off, where will I put it so I'll find it later?

Maybe I could put my ring with my car keys, so I'll not be able to leave the Church until I find my ring. Hmm...

But how big is the parking lot there?   :D How big was the Mall lot that you lost 2 hours  Great googly-moogly!  Have you considered a small flag on the aerial or antlers or painting the car orange?   ;)

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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 02:28:32 PM »
But how big is the parking lot there?   :D How big was the Mall lot that you lost 2 hours  Great googly-moogly!  Have you considered a small flag on the aerial or antlers or painting the car orange?   ;)
Have you seen an American mall? The one we have in town sits on forty acres, and it's one of the small ones. The largest is the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota. It's a four-story, 4.2 million-square-foot shopping center--and an expansion is planned that will add an additional 5.2 million square feet.

Fr. Chris, don't ever park at the Mall of America.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2008, 02:50:53 PM »
Have you seen an American mall? The one we have in town sits on forty acres, and it's one of the small ones. The largest is the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota. It's a four-story, 4.2 million-square-foot shopping center--and an expansion is planned that will add an additional 5.2 million square feet.

Fr. Chris, don't ever park at the Mall of America.

Sure I've seen Malls. I've even been to some.  :D  Maybe I have leet finding skills from living in the trackless wastes of Montana where we have to find our way about on buffalo trails.   ;D ;) :)

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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2008, 02:59:53 PM »
^ LOL! Hmm. For some reason, I was under the impression that you lived in the UK.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2008, 03:30:08 PM »
Fr. Chris, don't ever park at the Mall of America.

Luckily, that's a near impossibility.  When Mr. Y and I went, we took a train and left our car in the much smaller hotel parking lot.  If you just remember which hotel in Minneapolis you were in....
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2008, 04:17:56 PM »
^ I never give advice I don't follow myself! ;D
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2008, 04:46:04 PM »
^ LOL! Hmm. For some reason, I was under the impression that you lived in the UK.

 :o :o Good Golly!  Really?  (checking to see if I'm typing with some kind of British accent)

I'm the one from Montana, remember?  :)

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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2008, 05:04:22 PM »
I believe our priest wears two rings; his wedding ring and on the other hand a gold ring with several Orthodox crosses on them.  I'm not sure if he wears them during Liturgy though, I'm always up in the choir loft and can't see his hands that closely.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2008, 06:24:01 PM »
Isn't there anyone on here whose priests don't wear rings??? ???  I always assumed it was a given that they didn't...
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2008, 06:43:51 PM »
^^The big issue is...if I take it off, where will I put it so I'll find it later?

Maybe I could put my ring with my car keys, so I'll not be able to leave the Church until I find my ring. Hmm...


Or you could just ask your wife to put your ring (and car keys) in her purse.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2008, 07:30:55 PM »
Isn't there anyone on here whose priests don't wear rings??? ???  I always assumed it was a given that they didn't...

My Priest doesn't.  Never really thought of asking about it.
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2008, 02:17:14 AM »
I'm notorious for forgetting things, and I lost nearly two hours of time this week when I had gone to a shopping mall and lost track of where I parked my car. I had to wait for the mall to close and walk around the parking lot until I found it.

My memory is worse than yours.  I've spent the last hour searching the entire house for the handset for our phone.  I even tried calling it with my cell phone, but didn't hear it.  As far as losing the car in parking lots, i used to do that 'til I started using the handicap spots up front. 

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2008, 03:10:03 AM »
My memory is worse than yours.  I've spent the last hour searching the entire house for the handset for our phone.  I even tried calling it with my cell phone, but didn't hear it.  As far as losing the car in parking lots, i used to do that 'til I started using the handicap spots up front. 

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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2008, 12:56:23 AM »
That's better than losing your cellphone in the house when its on vibrate...

You're right about that.

My wife found the handset the next morning.  It was stuffed between the sofa cushions.

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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2011, 09:35:00 PM »
This is moot. If I was ordained, I would wear my wedding ring, and that's it.

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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2011, 09:36:43 PM »
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Re: "With Rings On Their Fingers..."
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2011, 09:39:05 PM »
Me, too.  :(
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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2011, 09:41:40 PM »
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my thoughts exactly.   :'(