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Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« on: April 13, 2011, 04:07:33 PM »

Last weekend a woman I know lent a prayer book to another woman, but, as she handed it to her, she instructed the receiver to be very careful...for there were prayers in the book that are NOT to be read.

Then she looks at me and says "Right, Liza?  Like the prayer of St. Cyprian. If you read it you will attract demons to you."  Thankfully, she didn't wait for my response as she continued chattering away.

This led me to research St. Cyprian, and I realize he was a magician and dealt with demons prior to his conversion.

So, this leads to my question...is that true?  I realize that living a godly life will always attract demons because they want you to mess up...and they will tempt you at every turn.

However, if a prayer is written in a prayer book, should you 'not' read it?  If so, why is it even written down in the prayer book for laypeople?  Why take the chance of having someone unwittingly read it, and attract evil to themselves?

I had never heard of such a thing and was wondering if anyone else has?


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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2011, 04:11:02 PM »
I suppose if you pray anything sincerely to God, you'll attract evil to yourself, since the evil one and his minions don't want you to pray and will try to derail you. That may explain why we struggle so much against the Purple Demons this time of year.
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2011, 04:16:01 PM »
I'd be interested to know what prayer book it was, and the text of the prayer. There are, to my knowledge, no approved Orthodox prayers that should not be read, granted there are prayers which should be read only by priests or bishops. There are, however, prayers of dubious origin, which are not fit for reading silently or aloud. I'm reminded of when St. Moses of Optina was given a nicely-bound book containing an "Akathist to God the Father." He ordered that it be burned, without even opening it to read it, since the Orthodox Church does not have an akathist to God the Father.

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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2011, 04:18:43 PM »
I have never heard of such a thing!

Why even bother to print a prayer that no one is supposed to read or pray?  :P
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2011, 04:30:38 PM »
I didn't see anything that stuck out as wrong with the text of the prayer after a Google search, however just about all the references I found were from folks mixing paganism with Christianity, wanting to use the prayer against the evil eye and witchcraft, while the actual text of the prayer mentions neither. I'm not certain that the prayer is even of St. Cyprian now, I'll have to check, if I can. It is a Western prayer. It may be Orthodox. It may even be of St. Cyprian. But it is probably not of St. Cyprian of Antioch (the former sorcerer), but of St. Cyprian of Carthage, the martyr.
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2011, 12:48:54 AM »
I've heard of prayers to St. Cyprian (the former sorcerer) but not of the same St. Cyprian. 

This page contains some Catholic prayers to St. Cyprian: http://ojinaga.com/cipriano/
They don't look too dangerous to me. 


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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2011, 01:47:20 AM »
Sorry, but sounds pretty superstitious to me...

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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2011, 04:52:59 AM »
From what I know, correct me if I'm wrong, St Cyprian's prayers are used in exorcisms by the Orthodox Church. Since only a priest can perform an exorcism, maybe is that what the woman said?

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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2011, 05:34:06 AM »
Hello!

There are some prayers that need proper preparation, like fasting and so. I don't know what the prayers you mention actually say, but if they contain curses directed against the devil, they shouldn't be read without blessing. The reason is that you would be engaging in a spiritual battle you are not prepared to fight.

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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2011, 02:00:59 PM »
"O Lord, let me be chaste, but not yet" or "Lord forgive me for what I am about to do" are ones that should probably be avoided.
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2011, 03:38:34 PM »
"O Lord, let me be chaste, but not yet" or "Lord forgive me for what I am about to do" are ones that should probably be avoided.
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2011, 04:24:18 PM »
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2011, 05:04:40 PM »
So this is probably unacceptable?

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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2011, 05:17:50 PM »
"O Lord, bless this Thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch with which to blast Thine enemies into tiny pieces in Thy mercy..."
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2011, 05:27:23 PM »
See, I can totally understand where this woman is coming from. I skip prayers labeled "Morning Prayers" and "Evening Prayers" all the time.  :P Seriously though... what others have said... including: "Why even bother to print a prayer that no one is supposed to read or pray?"
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2011, 06:07:13 PM »
Why would anyone print a book with prayers you're not supposed to use? To trick yo into using them? What's the point?
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2011, 06:38:22 PM »
I'm wondering if she was playing a tease on a . . .newbie?  I wonder what prayers she would point out?  Maybe ask her? 
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2011, 06:52:15 PM »

Well...it wasn't a newbie whom she was giving it to.  It was a rather thick book...and she grabbed her by the wrist and made sure she had her attention...when she stated that some prayers in there are NOT to be read....ie. St. Cyprian.

I also think it odd to print them, if they are to be avoided.

Just asking for trouble.
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2011, 07:01:52 PM »

Well...it wasn't a newbie whom she was giving it to.  It was a rather thick book...and she grabbed her by the wrist and made sure she had her attention...when she stated that some prayers in there are NOT to be read....ie. St. Cyprian.

I also think it odd to print them, if they are to be avoided.

Just asking for trouble.


This whole thing REEKS of yia-yia-ology.  While we do need to be careful, because intense prayer of the heart does bring upon more attacks by the devil, etc.  the whole POINT of prayer is to achieve union with God.  Otherwise, it is not a prayer, and something else. 
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2011, 07:09:58 PM »
I wonder if the prayer is meant to be 'said' to yourself, i.e. thought, rather than chanting or reciting. Monastics spend a lot of time in silent prayer, and if the prayer was written by a saint, it could be related to that. Just a guess on my part.  ???
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2011, 09:10:16 AM »
"O Lord, bless this Thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch with which to blast Thine enemies into tiny pieces in Thy mercy..."

I know what you are saying is funny, but the EO did partially participate in the crusades.  I'm sure prayers like this were common.

Not an attack, but to show how prayer can be misguided backed in propaganda. 
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2011, 09:17:05 PM »
I wonder if she handed the other lady a "Book of Needs" which does contain prayers that should not be said by a layman.
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Re: Prayers that are NOT to be read...
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2011, 09:54:48 AM »
"O Lord, bless this Thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch with which to blast Thine enemies into tiny pieces in Thy mercy..."

I know what you are saying is funny, but the EO did partially participate in the crusades.  I'm sure prayers like this were common.

Not an attack, but to show how prayer can be misguided backed in propaganda. 

You might want to qualify this statement. There were potentially more Eastern Christians killed as a result of Crusades than Muslims.
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