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Question: Both r apostilic church,so why still a big fuss in allowing this marriage.the RC church apparentely punishes the parents of the bride or groom if the weds in an orthodox parish,is this not a barbarian stone age rule?  (Voting closed: May 11, 2011, 04:42:55 PM)
the marriage should be allowed - 1 (33.3%)
the cathloic church should change their attitude to the fellow churches,otherwise it will land up like the communist party of USSR - 2 (66.7%)
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« on: April 11, 2011, 04:42:55 PM »

Both The indian orthodox and the roman catholic church areapostilic church,so why still a big fuss in allowing this marriage.the RC church apparentely punishes the parents of the bride or groom if the weds in an orthodox parish,is this not a barbarian stone age rule? and the funniest thing is that it happens only in kearala,india.it dosen't even happens in rome or any parts of europe.
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2011, 04:45:44 PM »

What kind of punishment are we talking about here?

As for stone age barbarians, I suspect Catholic-Orthodox intermarriage was a problem that didn't concern them much.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2011, 05:02:57 PM »

the catholic fraction bans the brieds or the grooms parents from the church for six months,after the punishment period they have to appoligise in front of all the parish memembers.the the prist decides some punishment,like(make the walk around the church  etc etc).dont u think that this is brutal and barbarism.is this what christ thaught?should christans be like this?
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2011, 10:31:36 PM »

Sounds like the parents should just convert to the Indian Orthodox Church.   Smiley

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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 12:21:29 AM »

Good grief. No, the Roman church is not Apostolic.
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 12:52:39 AM »

Good grief. No, the Roman church is not Apostolic.

It looks like your hardliner brand of Non-Chaledonianism has once again proved to be nonexistent among the typical Oriental faithful.

Oh, and the second choice on the poll is fantastic.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 01:03:23 AM »

It looks like your hardliner brand of Non-Chaledonianism has once again proved to be nonexistent among the typical Oriental faithful.

I've never suggested otherwise. I think I have actually acknowledged a number of times on here that the typical OO believer is a doctrinal deviant.
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 01:04:51 AM »

Also, with what percent of EO acknowledge that the Roman church is not Apostolic, I wasn't aware that this qualified as a "hard-liner" opinion.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 02:06:07 AM »

Are you sure thts the case?

We have an agreement with the Catholic church on weddings.it should be okay. I know many Orthodox guys who have married catholic gals and all r well. Grin

ps. But then Syrian Catholics didnt encourage marriage even with Latin catholics:) So even if such happens, it should come of no surprise..
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 02:13:56 AM »

Agreement btw Catholic church and Syriac Orthodox:

http://www.interchurchfamilies.org/agree/cath_malank_orth.shtm

I did see some news regarding Catholic- Malankara Orthodox..But i think they didnt finalise - but marriages do happen.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 05:01:22 PM »

Agreement btw Catholic church and Syriac Orthodox:

http://www.interchurchfamilies.org/agree/cath_malank_orth.shtm

I did see some news regarding Catholic- Malankara Orthodox..But i think they didnt finalise - but marriages do happen.

The MOSC recognizes marriages in Romanist churches as truly the Sacred Mystery of Matrimony? How awful.  Cry
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 05:44:45 PM »

The MOSC recognizes marriages in Romanist churches as truly the Sacred Mystery of Matrimony?

Is there a single OO bishop who thinks otherwise?
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2011, 06:11:49 PM »

The MOSC recognizes marriages in Romanist churches as truly the Sacred Mystery of Matrimony?

Is there a single OO bishop who thinks otherwise?

Yes! Most Coptic Bishops will tell you explicitly that the Romanists don't even have any Baptism, let alone Matrimony.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2011, 06:27:35 PM »

The MOSC recognizes marriages in Romanist churches as truly the Sacred Mystery of Matrimony?

Is there a single OO bishop who thinks otherwise?

Yes! Most Coptic Bishops will tell you explicitly that the Romanists don't even have any Baptism, let alone Matrimony.

Interesting. Thank you.
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2011, 06:29:56 PM »

The MOSC recognizes marriages in Romanist churches as truly the Sacred Mystery of Matrimony?

Is there a single OO bishop who thinks otherwise?

Yes! Most Coptic Bishops will tell you explicitly that the Romanists don't even have any Baptism, let alone Matrimony.

Interesting. Thank you.

Sure.  Wink
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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2011, 06:41:43 PM »

Good grief. No, the Roman church is not Apostolic.

My thoughts exactly. Plus you need more options for the poll, I can't select either.
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2011, 12:16:10 PM »

No, the Roman church is not Apostolic.

I'm going to have to agree with the non-Chalcedonian hard-liner: The Roman Church has severed its ties with the Apostles through schism and heresy.
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2011, 01:00:57 PM »

The MOSC recognizes marriages in Romanist churches as truly the Sacred Mystery of Matrimony?

Is there a single OO bishop who thinks otherwise?

Yes! Most Coptic Bishops will tell you explicitly that the Romanists don't even have any Baptism, let alone Matrimony.

None of the Coptic bishops I've met have ever said anything of the sort.

The Church does not judge the orders and sacraments of other groups. The insistance of baptising converts from Catholicism is not in any way a statement that Catholics are unbaptised, rather it is not assuming anything one way or the other. H.H. certainly receives Catholics as Christian brothers, as does every bishop I've ever heard of or encountered. In fact, Coptic Catholic converts are not rebaptised, since their baptism is by immersion, so clearly this indicates an acceptance of Catholic sacraments (how could the Coptic Catholics have valid baptism if the Roman Catholics they received their orders from were unbaptised), and merely an insistence on following the proper rites. Some Coptic clergy have even go so far as to say that there is no theological reason to rebaptise, that it is a wrong thing that stems from political motives from a period when Catholics would rebaptise converts from Coptic Orthodoxy.
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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2011, 01:03:17 PM »

The MOSC recognizes marriages in Romanist churches as truly the Sacred Mystery of Matrimony?

Is there a single OO bishop who thinks otherwise?

Yes! Most Coptic Bishops will tell you explicitly that the Romanists don't even have any Baptism, let alone Matrimony.

None of the Coptic bishops I've met have ever said anything of the sort.

The Church does not judge the orders and sacraments of other groups. The insistance of baptising converts from Catholicism is not in any way a statement that Catholics are unbaptised, rather it is not assuming anything one way or the other. H.H. certainly receives Catholics as Christian brothers, as does every bishop I've ever heard of or encountered. In fact, Coptic Catholic converts are not rebaptised, since their baptism is by immersion, so clearly this indicates an acceptance of Catholic sacraments (how could the Coptic Catholics have valid baptism if the Roman Catholics they received their orders from were unbaptised), and merely an insistence on following the proper rites. Some Coptic clergy have even go so far as to say that there is no theological reason to rebaptise, that it is a wrong thing that stems from political motives from a period when Catholics would rebaptise converts from Coptic Orthodoxy.

Here is a quote from H.G. Bishop Youssef explicitly saying that Catholic orders are valid:

http://www.suscopts.org/q&a/index.php?qid=1002&catid=63
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2011, 01:49:14 PM »

What Jonathan says is in accord with the practice of the Coptic Orthodox mission in Warsaw, Poland -- led, AFAIK, by a bishop* -- where RC women, wives of Coptic Orthodox men, are allowed to commune. Would the bishop allow unbaptised people to receive the Eucharist?

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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2011, 01:56:58 PM »

What Jonathan says is in accord with the practice of the Coptic Orthodox mission in Warsaw, Poland -- led, AFAIK, by a bishop* -- where RC women, wives of Coptic Orthodox men, are allowed to commune. Would the bishop allow unbaptised people to receive the Eucharist?

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Are they still active? Someone told me it stopped.
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2011, 02:04:40 PM »

What Jonathan says is in accord with the practice of the Coptic Orthodox mission in Warsaw, Poland -- led, AFAIK, by a bishop* -- where RC women, wives of Coptic Orthodox men, are allowed to commune. Would the bishop allow unbaptised people to receive the Eucharist?

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* Every month, he comes to Warsaw from Germany for a couple of days.

While I believe there is sufficient clear evidence that the Coptic Orthodox Church does not consider the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church to be graceless, does not consider RC's to be unbaptised, etc., I think it is also very clear that we are not in communion, and a practice of communing Roman Catholics who have not left the RC church and entered the Orthodox Church, is certainly not the norm, or representative of the practice of the Church.
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2011, 02:08:36 PM »

Are they still active? Someone told me it stopped.

I'm sure they were two years ago. Since then it might have stopped. Maybe due to gas prices.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2012, 03:04:06 AM »

Agreement btw Catholic church and Syriac Orthodox:

http://www.interchurchfamilies.org/agree/cath_malank_orth.shtm

I did see some news regarding Catholic- Malankara Orthodox..But i think they didnt finalise - but marriages do happen.

The MOSC recognizes marriages in Romanist churches as truly the Sacred Mystery of Matrimony? How awful.  Cry
This is truly horrible. I am honestly going to lose sleep over this!
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