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venerating saints
« on: April 10, 2011, 11:38:55 AM »
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Would it be okay to venerate a Saint a Martyr from the 2-3 century who as far as I can tell is not officially venerated in the Orthodox Church?
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 12:07:30 PM »
IMO yes. Who is he?
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 01:42:50 PM »
In your private devotion you can venerate anyone you want, even non-Orthodox people you felt were holy in their lives. And Orthodox martyrs especially, that's just fine, from what I've heard.

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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 02:04:55 PM »
Ditto what has been said... yes, who is he? private devotion just fine...
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 08:08:03 PM »
In your private devotion you can venerate anyone you want, even non-Orthodox people you felt were holy in their lives. And Orthodox martyrs especially, that's just fine, from what I've heard.

You can venerate non-Orthodox?
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 10:29:42 PM »
Genesius of Rome (I think I spelled that right)
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 11:35:43 PM »
Genesius of Rome (I think I spelled that right)

I always loved that he was the patron of barristers and clowns.
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 11:42:03 PM »
Genesius of Rome (I think I spelled that right)

I always loved that he was the patron of barristers and clowns.
actors and magicians too
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2011, 12:26:20 AM »
Genesius of Rome (I think I spelled that right)

There are 4 Genesius on the Orthodox Calendar

3 June
1 November
25 August
11 October


Do you know if your Saint is one of these?

http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Calendar/St.%20Hilarion%20Calendar%202003%20Part%202.pdf

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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 12:43:23 AM »
August 25th should be him.
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2011, 02:12:53 AM »
In your private devotion you can venerate anyone you want, even non-Orthodox people you felt were holy in their lives. And Orthodox martyrs especially, that's just fine, from what I've heard.

You can venerate non-Orthodox?

If we are talking about people who led orthodox lives but were not officially affiliated with the Eastern Orthodox Church, then as far as I know yes (St. Isaac the Syrian is perhaps the best example).
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 02:44:15 AM »
In your private devotion you can venerate anyone you want, even non-Orthodox people you felt were holy in their lives. And Orthodox martyrs especially, that's just fine, from what I've heard.

You can venerate non-Orthodox?

If we are talking about people who led orthodox lives but were not officially affiliated with the Eastern Orthodox Church, then as far as I know yes (St. Isaac the Syrian is perhaps the best example).

I remember that a very credible rebuttal to this is contained in the lengthy introduction to Saint Isaac's "Ascetical Homilies" published by Holy Transfiguration Monastery in 1984.  But it is so long since I have read it that the substance of their arguments has slipped my mind.

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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2011, 05:04:56 AM »
Hmm, well that's an interesting new piece of information for me.
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2011, 07:44:31 AM »
looks like he's on there :) Thanks Father!
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2011, 10:54:40 AM »
I always loved that he was the patron of barristers and clowns.

As a lawyer, I'm chuckling over this.

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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2011, 05:46:52 PM »
The OrthodoxWiki article is pretty helpful:

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Genesius_of_Rome
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Re: venerating saints
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2011, 05:49:21 PM »
I remember that a very credible rebuttal to this is contained in the lengthy introduction to Saint Isaac's "Ascetical Homilies" published by Holy Transfiguration Monastery in 1984.  But it is so long since I have read it that the substance of their arguments has slipped my mind.

Interesting, whenever I get something by/about St. Isaac I will try to get this particular translation so I can read about this.
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