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« on: April 07, 2011, 09:38:28 PM »
I will ty to see what the canon on this subject says in perfect detail in the Sunhadoos (canon law) of the Assyrian Church of the East. Much like the liturgy was kept in pure unadulterated form (except for some prayers added by Mar Narsai the Great founder of the school of Nisbis) since the time of Saint James, the Apostolic canons in the Assyrian Church of the East were never influenced by any westernisation or schism or heresy- they are pure and straightforward. I will ask when possible if it is forbidden to go into a synagogue or not, see if this is the same as the OC version of this canon. I myself wouldn't risk it...
You perfectly know what you are allowed to in the Faith Issues and what you can't post here. PeterTheAleut wasted loads of time on trying to explain that to you.

I'll try another one time despite I won't do this as good as PtA: The Faith Issues board is for discussing the Orthodox Christian POV. You, as a member of the Assyrian Church, should not respond to the threads here where people ask for the Church  opinion on some issues. You can do it in Religious Topics or Orthodox-Other Christian Discussion.

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2011, 09:47:01 PM »
I will ty to see what the canon on this subject says in perfect detail in the Sunhadoos (canon law) of the Assyrian Church of the East. Much like the liturgy was kept in pure unadulterated form (except for some prayers added by Mar Narsai the Great founder of the school of Nisbis) since the time of Saint James, the Apostolic canons in the Assyrian Church of the East were never influenced by any westernisation or schism or heresy- they are pure and straightforward. I will ask when possible if it is forbidden to go into a synagogue or not, see if this is the same as the OC version of this canon. I myself wouldn't risk it...

So if you have a child who is 13 years old and he or she is invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of a school mate, you wouldn't allow him to go?

If you are invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of the child of a close friend of yours or a work mate, would you refuse to go?

What kind of impression do you think that would leave on others?
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 09:55:48 PM »
I will ty to see what the canon on this subject says in perfect detail in the Sunhadoos (canon law) of the Assyrian Church of the East. Much like the liturgy was kept in pure unadulterated form (except for some prayers added by Mar Narsai the Great founder of the school of Nisbis) since the time of Saint James, the Apostolic canons in the Assyrian Church of the East were never influenced by any westernisation or schism or heresy- they are pure and straightforward. I will ask when possible if it is forbidden to go into a synagogue or not, see if this is the same as the OC version of this canon. I myself wouldn't risk it...

So if you have a child who is 13 years old and he or she is invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of a school mate, you wouldn't allow him to go?

If you are invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of the child of a close friend of yours or a work mate, would you would refuse to go?

What kind of impression do you think that would leave on others?

The same impression Caesar got when his generous invitation to a feast honoring his "godhood" was courteously refused by many many Saints.  :)

Maybe it is not a fair comparison but alas,it is a heavy Cross indeed to carry and I have faced situations like this several times...
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 10:04:29 PM »
Try searching the Assyrian Church of the East canons on this subject. They are the most reliable Eastern canons being those of the only Church not influenced by the West in any way (not one single of the 7 councils saw an Assyrian representative, though Nicea was approved as Orthodox when the Roman embassador Marutha presented it, for you to have an idea how isolated the Assyrian Church of the East was).
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2011, 10:06:56 PM »
I will ty to see what the canon on this subject says in perfect detail in the Sunhadoos (canon law) of the Assyrian Church of the East. Much like the liturgy was kept in pure unadulterated form (except for some prayers added by Mar Narsai the Great founder of the school of Nisbis) since the time of Saint James, the Apostolic canons in the Assyrian Church of the East were never influenced by any westernisation or schism or heresy- they are pure and straightforward. I will ask when possible if it is forbidden to go into a synagogue or not, see if this is the same as the OC version of this canon. I myself wouldn't risk it...

So if you have a child who is 13 years old and he or she is invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of a school mate, you wouldn't allow him to go?

If you are invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of the child of a close friend of yours or a work mate, would you would refuse to go?

What kind of impression do you think that would leave on others?

The same impression Caesar got when his generous invitation to a feast honoring his "godhood" was courteously refused by many many Saints.  :)

Maybe it is not a fair comparison but alas,it is a heavy Cross indeed to carry and I have faced situations like this several times...


Really? Do you think comparing bowing to Ceasers Godhood to a child's Bar Mitzvoh is balanced and reasonable ? I certainly don't and I bet the overwhelming majority of American Priests would never think to prohibit attendance.

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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2011, 10:16:02 PM »
I will try to see what the pure Eastern canons say on this then tell you. Don't know at the moment what the Assyrian Church of the East says on the matter, if you find a copy of the Sunhadoos of the Assyrian Church of the East read it and see if it is in agreement or disagreement with the OC canons...
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2011, 04:06:30 AM »
I will try to see what the pure Eastern canons say on this then tell you. Don't know at the moment what the Assyrian Church of the East says on the matter, if you find a copy of the Sunhadoos of the Assyrian Church of the East read it and see if it is in agreement or disagreement with the OC canons...
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Re: Assyrian church's teaching on the jews
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2011, 04:54:46 AM »
I will ty to see what the canon on this subject says in perfect detail in the Sunhadoos (canon law) of the Assyrian Church of the East. Much like the liturgy was kept in pure unadulterated form (except for some prayers added by Mar Narsai the Great founder of the school of Nisbis) since the time of Saint James, the Apostolic canons in the Assyrian Church of the East were never influenced by any westernisation or schism or heresy- they are pure and straightforward. I will ask when possible if it is forbidden to go into a synagogue or not, see if this is the same as the OC version of this canon. I myself wouldn't risk it...

So if you have a child who is 13 years old and he or she is invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of a school mate, you wouldn't allow him to go?

If you are invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of the child of a close friend of yours or a work mate, would you refuse to go?

It depends on whether they are Zionists or not.  ;)
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Re: Assyrian church's teaching on the jews
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2011, 08:20:40 AM »
I will ty to see what the canon on this subject says in perfect detail in the Sunhadoos (canon law) of the Assyrian Church of the East. Much like the liturgy was kept in pure unadulterated form (except for some prayers added by Mar Narsai the Great founder of the school of Nisbis) since the time of Saint James, the Apostolic canons in the Assyrian Church of the East were never influenced by any westernisation or schism or heresy- they are pure and straightforward. I will ask when possible if it is forbidden to go into a synagogue or not, see if this is the same as the OC version of this canon. I myself wouldn't risk it...

So if you have a child who is 13 years old and he or she is invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of a school mate, you wouldn't allow him to go?

If you are invited to a Bar Mitzvoh of the child of a close friend of yours or a work mate, would you refuse to go?

It depends on whether they are Zionists or not.  ;)

Or if you're just anti-Semitic....
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Re: Assyrian church's teaching on the jews
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2011, 08:55:04 AM »
Try searching the Assyrian Church of the East canons on this subject. They are the most reliable Eastern canons being those of the only Church not influenced by the West in any way (not one single of the 7 councils saw an Assyrian representative, though Nicea was approved as Orthodox when the Roman embassador Marutha presented it, for you to have an idea how isolated the Assyrian Church of the East was).

Have you ever attended a non-Orthodox or a non-Christian wedding?  Or had dinner with a non-Christian family?
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2011, 09:03:05 AM »
Try searching the Assyrian Church of the East canons on this subject. They are the most reliable Eastern canons being those of the only Church not influenced by the West in any way (not one single of the 7 councils saw an Assyrian representative, though Nicea was approved as Orthodox when the Roman embassador Marutha presented it, for you to have an idea how isolated the Assyrian Church of the East was).

Have you ever attended a non-Orthodox or a non-Christian wedding?  Or had dinner with a non-Christian family?

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Re: Assyrian church's teaching on the jews
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2011, 02:39:48 PM »
Let me say this..

 If you don't attend such observances with an attitude of great piety and humility I can see it. It's a difficult thing to appear pious rather than cultish or prideful. How others are effected by our actions really should be our guide. Will our pious attitude help to convert someone to Christ or will an appearance of arrogance drive the away to some extent.

Also keep in mind that religious affairs these days tend to be on the lite side heavily infected with Secular norms of conduct rather than religious observance.  Have you been to a Bar Mitzvoh recently?

Tough call.
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Re: Assyrian church's teaching on the jews
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2011, 02:06:14 PM »
I do know that the rules for dealing with those who are not from a Christian background are quite stringent though. Will have to see what the canons say on this subject, once I know it will be very straightforward since the ACOE does not compromise and knows what is permissible or not...


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