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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2011, 09:29:33 AM »
In my home region they taught they will become werewolves.

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2011, 10:01:35 PM »
I just learned that I, apparently, was conceived during Holy Week.
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2011, 10:28:55 PM »
It's wonderful news, OP! God grant you (and the child you carry) many years!
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2011, 10:37:33 PM »
is it not impossible for Christ to be conceived during Great Lent, because there was no death of Christ before the birth?


Or, is this one of those God exists outside of spacetime questions

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2011, 10:39:09 PM »
I just learned that I, apparently, was conceived during Holy Week.

Well I was probably conceived during the Apostles' Fast, but such a thing doesn't surprise me at all given that both of my parents are pagans.
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2011, 10:40:42 PM »
is it not impossible for Christ to be conceived during Great Lent, because there was no death of Christ before the birth?


Or, is this one of those God exists outside of spacetime questions

Even if there was Great Lent, Christ being conceived during it wouldn't be a no-no unless one believes the heresy that Joseph was His biological father.
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2011, 10:41:41 PM »
In my home region they taught they will become werewolves.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Is werewolf the past tense of wolf? iswolf? arewolf? shallbewolf?

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Is this a serious question?  :'(
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2011, 10:47:09 PM »
is it not impossible for Christ to be conceived during Great Lent, because there was no death of Christ before the birth?


Or, is this one of those God exists outside of spacetime questions

No, this is one of those commemorating events spaced out over 33 years within a single year questions.

Feast of the Annunciation (Anniversary of Christ's conception)- March 25 (during Great Lent)

Feast of Nativity- December 25 (Nine months later)

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2011, 11:03:29 AM »
Jesus was conceived during Lent.

Shhh.  Is only rumor  ;) 

LOL!

Please excuse my ignorance, but on what is this claim based i.e. that Jesus was conceived during lent? Can you please elaborate. I hesitate to ask, because judging from the replies, it seems to be something that others on the forum find obvious? But I would appreciate it if someone elaborates on this so that I can be more informed on this.

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2011, 11:07:36 AM »
Jesus was conceived during Lent.

Shhh.  Is only rumor  ;)  

LOL!

If we celebrate Jesus' nativity on Dec 25, that means his conception would have been Mar 25 (eg the Feast of the Annunciation).

Mar 25 almost always falls in Lent.  

Please excuse my ignorance, but on what is this claim based i.e. that Jesus was conceived during lent? Can you please elaborate. I hesitate to ask, because judging from the replies, it seems to be something that others on the forum find obvious? But I would appreciate it if someone elaborates on this so that I can be more informed on this.
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2011, 11:12:45 AM »
is it not impossible for Christ to be conceived during Great Lent, because there was no death of Christ before the birth?


Or, is this one of those God exists outside of spacetime questions

No, this is one of those commemorating events spaced out over 33 years within a single year questions.

Feast of the Annunciation (Anniversary of Christ's conception)- March 25 (during Great Lent)

Feast of Nativity- December 25 (Nine months later)



Does March 25 always fall within Great Lent? Don't the months, days of Lent change somewhat each year?

Does the Eastern Orthodox Church actually teach that Jesus was conceived during Lent?

Or is this more of an Orthodox layman's joke sorta thing?
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2011, 11:28:21 AM »
is it not impossible for Christ to be conceived during Great Lent, because there was no death of Christ before the birth?


Or, is this one of those God exists outside of spacetime questions

No, this is one of those commemorating events spaced out over 33 years within a single year questions.

Feast of the Annunciation (Anniversary of Christ's conception)- March 25 (during Great Lent)

Feast of Nativity- December 25 (Nine months later)



Does March 25 always fall within Great Lent? Don't the months, days of Lent change somewhat each year?

Does the Eastern Orthodox Church actually teach that Jesus was conceived during Lent?

Or is this more of an Orthodox layman's joke sorta thing?

a) No, it doesn't always fall within Great Lent, but it usually does. 

b) (and most importantly) this is all an "Orthodox layman's joke sorta thing".
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2011, 11:56:03 AM »
is it not impossible for Christ to be conceived during Great Lent, because there was no death of Christ before the birth?


Or, is this one of those God exists outside of spacetime questions

No, this is one of those commemorating events spaced out over 33 years within a single year questions.

Feast of the Annunciation (Anniversary of Christ's conception)- March 25 (during Great Lent)

Feast of Nativity- December 25 (Nine months later)



Good logic, but you've got it backwards. The Feast of Annunciation is calculated based on the day of the Nativity, not the Nativity based on the day of Annunciation. So we start with December 25 or January 7 and count back 9 months of human gestation, and there you have it. A major feast day falling in Lent.

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2011, 12:06:43 PM »
The Feast of Annunciation is calculated based on the day of the Nativity, not the Nativity based on the day of Annunciation. So we start with December 25 or January 7 and count back 9 months of human gestation, and there you have it. A major feast day falling in Lent.

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2011, 12:22:25 PM »
is it not impossible for Christ to be conceived during Great Lent, because there was no death of Christ before the birth?


Or, is this one of those God exists outside of spacetime questions

No, this is one of those commemorating events spaced out over 33 years within a single year questions.

Feast of the Annunciation (Anniversary of Christ's conception)- March 25 (during Great Lent)

Feast of Nativity- December 25 (Nine months later)



Good logic, but you've got it backwards. The Feast of Annunciation is calculated based on the day of the Nativity, not the Nativity based on the day of Annunciation. So we start with December 25 or January 7 and count back 9 months of human gestation, and there you have it. A major feast day falling in Lent.

-Nick

I had arranged the dates merely for ease in calculating the 9 months (it being easier to count forward with the months for the same reason it's easier to count forward with the alphabet, we're used to saying "January February March"), not for the way at which the determined dates were reached (which seemed pointlessly confusing for a quick response to an already confused person).

If had wanted to get really technical I could have pointed out that the Church New Year is in September, so the Nativity always precedes the Resurrection, and the real question is how can Christ be conceived after He is born.  It was tempting at the time, but also seemed pointlessly confusing (and not just a little smarmy).  :laugh:


a) No, it doesn't always fall within Great Lent, but it usually does.  


Though for those of us on the New Calendar it pretty much always does.  The only way for the Annunciation to fall outside of Lent is for it to occur after the Pascha, something impossible when the Pascha must happen after April 2.
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Re: Conception during Lent?
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2011, 04:36:54 PM »

a) No, it doesn't always fall within Great Lent, but it usually does.  


Though for those of us on the New Calendar it pretty much always does.  The only way for the Annunciation to fall outside of Lent is for it to occur after the Pascha, something impossible when the Pascha must happen after April 2.

Correct!  Since there are plenty of people on the Old Calendar, though, I used "usually" for their sake. :)
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2011, 04:41:28 PM »
is it not impossible for Christ to be conceived during Great Lent, because there was no death of Christ before the birth?


Or, is this one of those God exists outside of spacetime questions

No, this is one of those commemorating events spaced out over 33 years within a single year questions.

Feast of the Annunciation (Anniversary of Christ's conception)- March 25 (during Great Lent)

Feast of Nativity- December 25 (Nine months later)



Good logic, but you've got it backwards. The Feast of Annunciation is calculated based on the day of the Nativity, not the Nativity based on the day of Annunciation. So we start with December 25 or January 7 and count back 9 months of human gestation, and there you have it. A major feast day falling in Lent.

-Nick

I had arranged the dates merely for ease in calculating the 9 months (it being easier to count forward with the months for the same reason it's easier to count forward with the alphabet, we're used to saying "January February March"), not for the way at which the determined dates were reached (which seemed pointlessly confusing for a quick response to an already confused person).

If had wanted to get really technical I could have pointed out that the Church New Year is in September, so the Nativity always precedes the Resurrection, and the real question is how can Christ be conceived after He is born.  It was tempting at the time, but also seemed pointlessly confusing (and not just a little smarmy).  :laugh:


a) No, it doesn't always fall within Great Lent, but it usually does.  


Though for those of us on the New Calendar it pretty much always does.  The only way for the Annunciation to fall outside of Lent is for it to occur after the Pascha, something impossible when the Pascha must happen after April 2.

I figured you were too crafty to make a mistake like that  ;D

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2011, 06:24:59 PM »
I would say I lean more traditionally, but my Priest thinks it's ridiculous, and a Monk seems concerned so I confused. I personally don't think that God would punish an innocent child.  My husband did not want to abstain during Lent. I could have or not. It was dependent on him. He is deployed now so now I am abstaining :-)

Ma'am, if you didn't get dispensation before hand, you should get it afterward.  You are in a fast that lasts a lot longer than 40 days.  Depending on branch, I'm assuming your husband is gone for a year.  I sure hope this isn't his first deployment or first child.  If either are true, not to mention both . . . Gospodi pomiluj. 

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2011, 06:39:40 PM »
If this was true I'd be cursed. I'm gonna go ahead and safely assume I'm not.

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2011, 06:45:20 PM »
There is a widespread folk belief that kids conceived on fasting days will be cursed. In my home region they taught they will become werewolves.

Oh yes, that part is true.

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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2011, 06:46:43 PM »
I would say I lean more traditionally, but my Priest thinks it's ridiculous, and a Monk seems concerned so I confused. I personally don't think that God would punish an innocent child.  My husband did not want to abstain during Lent. I could have or not. It was dependent on him. He is deployed now so now I am abstaining :-)

Ma'am, if you didn't get dispensation before hand, you should get it afterward.  You are in a fast that lasts a lot longer than 40 days.  Depending on branch, I'm assuming your husband is gone for a year.  I sure hope this isn't his first deployment or first child.  If either are true, not to mention both . . . Gospodi pomiluj.  

There are some things that should not be denied a soldier (sailor, airman or marine as well) before deployment.  That's one of them.

Interesting take. Isn't true that exemptions to fasting rules are already a matter of normal practice if someone is in a special status, such as traveling, sick, etc...? Furthermore, it was my impression that only an ascetic fast would preclude marital relations--that is, the fast that precedes communion. No matter which way you look at it, I think that the praxis of the Church has already given this blessed couple a dispensation.
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2011, 06:53:33 PM »
In my home region they taught they will become werewolves.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Is werewolf the past tense of wolf? iswolf? arewolf? shallbewolf?

...

Is this a serious question?  :'(

I think it is perfectly valid question as he was responding to a ridiculous post with an equally ridiculous question--therefore, it was a valid rhetorical question that was made in all seriousness as a tool in the serious business of sarcasm. Sarcasm is a fine art and I think that the point was made rather well.
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Re: Conception during Lent?
« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2011, 11:55:28 AM »
Jesus was conceived during Lent.

Shhh.  Is only rumor  ;)  

LOL!

If we celebrate Jesus' nativity on Dec 25, that means his conception would have been Mar 25 (eg the Feast of the Annunciation).

Mar 25 almost always falls in Lent.  

Please excuse my ignorance, but on what is this claim based i.e. that Jesus was conceived during lent? Can you please elaborate. I hesitate to ask, because judging from the replies, it seems to be something that others on the forum find obvious? But I would appreciate it if someone elaborates on this so that I can be more informed on this.


Well of course Dec 25th was the date put in place to crush the Winter Solstice celebration.  It's actually unknown the date of the Birth of our Lord & Savior.   

DEC 21st, of course being the "real date" of the solstice. It gets kind of messed up with leap year, but whatever :)
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