Topic: And Now For Something Different... Bishop Patricia

[Asteriktos]

Woman who claims to be Roman Catholic bishop to speak at Rutgers-Camden

A woman who bills herself as one of only three ordained female Roman Catholic bishops will speak at Rutgers-Camden next week...

[DavidI]

Odd I go to RU-C and no one has even mentioned this yet. Wonder if the religion and philosophy department even knows of her circumstances.

[blackincense]

I remember this lady from years ago.  She started making a stink in Europe around 2002.  I recall (but cannot prove with an article online) that she chained herself to the handrail at some portion of the Vatican.  

Honestly, it's embarrassing at times to be a woman.  Before I converted to Orthodoxy I was always a rather outspoken woman (and still am.) highly involved in "equal rights" in the world.  I never stopped in fact.  But this did not mean I wanted to be a "man".    I have never understood the mindset behind this "I want to be a priest" business.  (Much less a "bishop")  Really, these women are all about gaining honor, power and glory for themselves.  It's got nothing to do with "ministering to the poor" or "ministering to the sick".  (Has any of these women "priests" or "bishops" ever been photographed doing ANYTHING in a third world country?  No.  Mostly, they just process around in their "costumes" and funny hats and make silly comments about Mary Magdalene.  Ridiculous.

[Wyatt]

Why doesn't she just go Anglican? It is obvious by the simple fact that she supports her own ordination that she has no respect for or interest in Catholic teachings.

[FormerReformer]

Why doesn't she just go Anglican? It is obvious by the simple fact that she supports her own ordination that she has no respect for or interest in Catholic teachings.

Because misery loves company.  A century ago such would have been disrespect and disinterest in Anglican teaching, as well.

[Irish_Melkite]

Some people think these women are all about "proving" they can do the same job as men.  Actually, it's beyond that.  It's women trying to dominate and cower men with politcal correctness.  Look no man can be a mother just as no woman can be a father.  Fact.  I'm so sick of the Catholic bishops being such wussies and cowering to the politcally correct crowd with altar girls, women Eucharistic ministers...  God help us... I'm sick of weak men.   As for this bishop-wannabe, I'll bet she has about as much theological training as a drunk on a street corner.

[FormerReformer]

Some people think these women are all about "proving" they can do the same job as men.  Actually, it's beyond that.  It's women trying to dominate and cower men with politcal correctness.  Look no man can be a mother just as no woman can be a father.  Fact.  I'm so sick of the Catholic bishops being such wussies and cowering to the politcally correct crowd with altar girls, women Eucharistic ministers...  God help us... I'm sick of weak men.   As for this bishop-wannabe, I'll bet she has about as much theological training as a drunk on a street corner.

For some reason this title of this thread and the above remark got me thinking of this:Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.

[Asteriktos]

 As for this bishop-wannabe, I'll bet she has about as much theological training as a drunk on a street corner.

Right... 

[Irish_Melkite]

 As for this bishop-wannabe, I'll bet she has about as much theological training as a drunk on a street corner.

Right... 

Roll your eyes all you want.... these feminazis go for what they can get in this because "they have a right to it" and NO MAN is going to stop them from getting what's rightfully theirs.  One of the "deacons" from romancatholicwomenpriests.org has repented and come back to the Church.  She also blew the whistle that few, if any of the other "clergy" she knew in this group lived virtuous lives and at least half were lesbians.   Take it from there.

[Iconodule]

Complaining about political correctness is politically correct.

[orthonorm]

Complaining about political correctness is politically correct.

Anything that won't potentially put you in the hoosekow is politically correct.

[Asteriktos]

As for this bishop-wannabe, I'll bet she has about as much theological training as a drunk on a street corner.

Right...  

Roll your eyes all you want.... these feminazis go for what they can get in this because "they have a right to it" and NO MAN is going to stop them from getting what's rightfully theirs.  One of the "deacons" from romancatholicwomenpriests.org has repented and come back to the Church.  She also blew the whistle that few, if any of the other "clergy" she knew in this group lived virtuous lives and at least half were lesbians.   Take it from there.

I was rolling my eyes at your comment about her theological training, when you have shown that you're not exactly Dr. Infallible yourself I agree with the general point about women not becoming priests.

[Irish_Melkite]

Moi??  Infallible??   Far from it!!!  It's just I'm tired of the feminazis who try to be men.

[orthonorm]

Moi??  Infallible??   Far from it!!!  It's just I'm tired of the feminazis who try to be men.

I'm tired of 36 year old boys trying to be men.

[orthonorm]

feminazis

Just step out 1993 after a taping of the Rush Limbaugh show?

[Irish_Melkite]

Moi??  Infallible??   Far from it!!!  It's just I'm tired of the feminazis who try to be men.

I'm tired of 36 year old boys trying to be men.

Uhhghh... speak for yourself.

[Irish_Melkite]

feminazis

Just step out 1993 after a taping of the Rush Limbaugh show?

Feminazis...  you want a definition??  It's hard to do in polite conversation but I'll try:  cojone-crushing Nancy Pelosi with a worse Queen Bee syndrome.  That's close enough.

[orthonorm]

feminazis

Just step out 1993 after a taping of the Rush Limbaugh show?

Feminazis...  you want a definition??  It's hard to do in polite conversation but I'll try:  cojone-crushing Nancy Pelosi with a worse Queen Bee syndrome.  That's close enough.

Do we have a Freudian in the house?

[Iconodule]

feminazis

Just step out 1993 after a taping of the Rush Limbaugh show?

Feminazis...  you want a definition??  It's hard to do in polite conversation but I'll try:  cojone-crushing Nancy Pelosi with a worse Queen Bee syndrome.  That's close enough.

Girl problems, huh? Ah, it's nothing a dose of Conan won't cure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc&feature=related

[Irish_Melkite]

Girl problems, huh? Ah, it's nothing a dose of Conan won't cure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc&feature=related

Thank you, I needed that.

[bogdan]

Fresen is identified with a group called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, and will discuss why she believes women should help lead the Catholic Church now more than ever.

There is no such word.

[Irish_Melkite]

Fresen is identified with a group called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, and will discuss why she believes women should help lead the Catholic Church now more than ever.

There is no such word.

There is no such thing, either... solely a figment of their imaginations.

[bogdan]

Fresen is identified with a group called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, and will discuss why she believes women should help lead the Catholic Church now more than ever.

There is no such word.

There is no such thing, either... solely a figment of their imaginations.

It's true.

The problem is, the women who attempt to be priests, "because the Church needs female leadership" present a false dilemma. Women absolutely can be leaders in the Church—and they are. They only can't fulfill sacramental roles. They can be leaders though. Ever hear of Mother Theresa? Countless female saints? The Mother of God, for pity's sake?

[orthonorm]

Fresen is identified with a group called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, and will discuss why she believes women should help lead the Catholic Church now more than ever.

There is no such word.

There is no such thing, either... solely a figment of their imaginations.

It's true.

The problem is, the women who attempt to be priests, "because the Church needs female leadership" present a false dilemma. Women absolutely can be leaders in the Church—and they are. They only can't fulfill sacramental roles. They can be leaders though. Ever hear of Mother Theresa? Countless female saints? The Mother of God, for pity's sake?

And men can't be Priests as well. It ain't like you drop trou and boom you are a Priest.

I think the bolded part is a weak argument, although I know what you are saying. The idea of reducing "sacramental" roles down to some number I think is outside the spirit of the understanding of sacramentality of the Church.

We all take on our sacramental roles as persons (and all of creation for that matter) responding to the degree we do in our vocation from God.

Not that I am arguing your point per se, but would you agree I have some of the right of it?

[orthonorm]

Fresen is identified with a group called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, and will discuss why she believes women should help lead the Catholic Church now more than ever.

There is no such word.

There is no such thing, either... solely a figment of their imaginations.

It's true.

The problem is, the women who attempt to be priests, "because the Church needs female leadership" present a false dilemma. Women absolutely can be leaders in the Church—and they are. They only can't fulfill sacramental roles. They can be leaders though. Ever hear of Mother Theresa? Countless female saints? The Mother of God, for pity's sake?

And men can't be Priests as well. It ain't like you drop trou and boom you are a Priest.

I think the bolded part is a weak argument, although I know what you are saying. The idea of reducing "sacramental" roles down to some number I think is outside the spirit of the understanding of sacramentality of the Church.

We all take on our sacramental roles as persons (and all of creation for that matter) responding to the degree we do in our vocation from God.

Not that I am arguing your point per se, but would you agree I have some of the right of it?

Rather than modify, I just wanted to give an example: motherhood. What ain't sacramental about that?