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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2011, 10:44:39 PM »
I know the traditional notion is that eating more meat, all else being equal, including caloric intake, increases libido (and anger and other passions). Does this correspond to anyone's personal experience, or are there recent medical studies that confirm this?

Hear are two good sources for info. on meat based diets. You can search the various articles.

www.westonaprice.org

www.thepaleodiet.com

Again:  ::)

Orthonorm doesn't like any nutrition advice except his own.
No. Like me, he doesn't like seeing you cross-post it everywhere you see the opportunity.

It was a direct answer to a direct question. Orthnorm has a chip on his shoulder and takes similar shots in various threads repeating the exact same advice and the same thinly veiled  insults...

The subject of nutrition  shouldn't get your blood to boil. If it does, it's really truly not my fault.
I don't have a problem with nutrition or with discussions of nutrition. You have a whole thread devoted to the subject of nutrition where you pitch your two favorite Web sites. Maybe instead of cross-posting links to those sites and threatening to derail threads by doing so--not to mention placing added stress on our bandwidth--you could instead post a link to the thread on this forum where we discuss your take on nutrition and your two favorite sites.

For example: Nutrition and Diet, or just http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,24938.0.html.

That way you don't derail threads with your nutritional sales pitches, but instead you redirect posters to the location on this forum where they can continue the discussion of nutrition you already started.

Read for content.. I was not speaking about you when I said such conversations should not make your blood boil. I thought I was being clear. I will try harder in the future.

Not a thing was derailed in this thread by me any way. Someone asked where they can read up on how meat effects libido. Rather than answer with a long explanation I merely provided links where there are articles about such things...That was a perfectly reasonable reply to a direct question. Nothing is being "Pitched".   Cranky are we?  :)

I believe that saved bandwidth. However, I will be more than willing to donate to OC.net the .000000185% of one cent for the bandwidth used to provide those links.

Here is the question that was asked: I know the traditional notion is that eating more meat, all else being equal, including caloric intake, increases libido (and anger and other passions). Does this correspond to anyone's personal experience, or are there recent medical studies that confirm this?



I provided links to where medical studies and various explanations can be found... Direct question = Direct answer. No "derailing" is  very apparent to me. Sorry again.
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2011, 10:49:07 PM »
That's just wonderful.  Now you are going to get a nastygram about quoting yourself without additional comment  :)

I know the traditional notion is that eating more meat, all else being equal, including caloric intake, increases libido (and anger and other passions). Does this correspond to anyone's personal experience, or are there recent medical studies that confirm this?

Hear are two good sources for info. on meat based diets. You can search the various articles.

www.westonaprice.org

www.thepaleodiet.com

Again:  ::)

Orthonorm doesn't like any nutrition advice except his own.
No. Like me, he doesn't like seeing you cross-post it everywhere you see the opportunity.

It was a direct answer to a direct question. Orthnorm has a chip on his shoulder and takes similar shots in various threads repeating the exact same advice and the same thinly veiled  insults...

The subject of nutrition  shouldn't get your blood to boil. If it does, it's really truly not my fault.
I don't have a problem with nutrition or with discussions of nutrition. You have a whole thread devoted to the subject of nutrition where you pitch your two favorite Web sites. Maybe instead of cross-posting links to those sites and threatening to derail threads by doing so--not to mention placing added stress on our bandwidth--you could instead post a link to the thread on this forum where we discuss your take on nutrition and your two favorite sites.

For example: Nutrition and Diet, or just http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,24938.0.html.

That way you don't derail threads with your nutritional sales pitches, but instead you redirect posters to the location on this forum where they can continue the discussion of nutrition you already started.
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2011, 11:37:01 PM »
I know the traditional notion is that eating more meat, all else being equal, including caloric intake, increases libido (and anger and other passions). Does this correspond to anyone's personal experience, or are there recent medical studies that confirm this?

Hear are two good sources for info. on meat based diets. You can search the various articles.

www.westonaprice.org

www.thepaleodiet.com

Again:  ::)

Orthonorm doesn't like any nutrition advice except his own.
No. Like me, he doesn't like seeing you cross-post it everywhere you see the opportunity.

It was a direct answer to a direct question. Orthnorm has a chip on his shoulder and takes similar shots in various threads repeating the exact same advice and the same thinly veiled  insults...

The subject of nutrition  shouldn't get your blood to boil. If it does, it's really truly not my fault.
I don't have a problem with nutrition or with discussions of nutrition. You have a whole thread devoted to the subject of nutrition where you pitch your two favorite Web sites. Maybe instead of cross-posting links to those sites and threatening to derail threads by doing so--not to mention placing added stress on our bandwidth--you could instead post a link to the thread on this forum where we discuss your take on nutrition and your two favorite sites.

For example: Nutrition and Diet, or just http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,24938.0.html.

That way you don't derail threads with your nutritional sales pitches, but instead you redirect posters to the location on this forum where they can continue the discussion of nutrition you already started.

Read for content.. I was not speaking about you when I said such conversations should not make your blood boil. I thought I was being clear. I will try harder in the future.

Not a thing was derailed in this thread by me any way. Someone asked where they can read up on how meat effects libido. Rather than answer with a long explanation I merely provided links where there are articles about such things...That was a perfectly reasonable reply to a direct question. Nothing is being "Pitched".   Cranky are we?  :)

I believe that saved bandwidth. However, I will be more than willing to donate to OC.net the .000000185% of one cent for the bandwidth used to provide those links.

Here is the question that was asked: I know the traditional notion is that eating more meat, all else being equal, including caloric intake, increases libido (and anger and other passions). Does this correspond to anyone's personal experience, or are there recent medical studies that confirm this?



I provided links to where medical studies and various explanations can be found... Direct question = Direct answer. No "derailing" is  very apparent to me. Sorry again.
Your baseless and apparently hypocritical jab at my "crankiness" aside, links to the specific articles you want us to read would look like less of a cross-posted sales pitch than what you did. "Here are links to a couple of Web sites where you can find a number of articles, but you have to do the dirty work of looking for them."
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #93 on: April 11, 2011, 09:17:01 PM »
I know the traditional notion is that eating more meat, all else being equal, including caloric intake, increases libido (and anger and other passions). Does this correspond to anyone's personal experience, or are there recent medical studies that confirm this?

Hear are two good sources for info. on meat based diets. You can search the various articles.

www.westonaprice.org

www.thepaleodiet.com

Again:  ::)

Orthonorm doesn't like any nutrition advice except his own.
No. Like me, he doesn't like seeing you cross-post it everywhere you see the opportunity.

It was a direct answer to a direct question. Orthnorm has a chip on his shoulder and takes similar shots in various threads repeating the exact same advice and the same thinly veiled  insults...

The subject of nutrition  shouldn't get your blood to boil. If it does, it's really truly not my fault.
I don't have a problem with nutrition or with discussions of nutrition. You have a whole thread devoted to the subject of nutrition where you pitch your two favorite Web sites. Maybe instead of cross-posting links to those sites and threatening to derail threads by doing so--not to mention placing added stress on our bandwidth--you could instead post a link to the thread on this forum where we discuss your take on nutrition and your two favorite sites.

For example: Nutrition and Diet, or just http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,24938.0.html.

That way you don't derail threads with your nutritional sales pitches, but instead you redirect posters to the location on this forum where they can continue the discussion of nutrition you already started.

Read for content.. I was not speaking about you when I said such conversations should not make your blood boil. I thought I was being clear. I will try harder in the future.

Not a thing was derailed in this thread by me any way. Someone asked where they can read up on how meat effects libido. Rather than answer with a long explanation I merely provided links where there are articles about such things...That was a perfectly reasonable reply to a direct question. Nothing is being "Pitched".   Cranky are we?  :)

I believe that saved bandwidth. However, I will be more than willing to donate to OC.net the .000000185% of one cent for the bandwidth used to provide those links.

Here is the question that was asked: I know the traditional notion is that eating more meat, all else being equal, including caloric intake, increases libido (and anger and other passions). Does this correspond to anyone's personal experience, or are there recent medical studies that confirm this?



I provided links to where medical studies and various explanations can be found... Direct question = Direct answer. No "derailing" is  very apparent to me. Sorry again.
Your baseless and apparently hypocritical jab at my "crankiness" aside, links to the specific articles you want us to read would look like less of a cross-posted sales pitch than what you did. "Here are links to a couple of Web sites where you can find a number of articles, but you have to do the dirty work of looking for them."

 You have totally derailed this thread for no apparent reason. I posted a two sentence reply to a question. My post was perfectly reasonable and in fact provided a good source of information. The poster asked for published articles. I showed him where he can find some...

Your odd characterizations of "Sales Pitches" and the like is off the wall and nothing but an  ad hominem remark. Several people over several threads have testified that they follow Paleo or Weston Price type diets and how much it has helped them... I suggest once again that this is a very benign subject and I am amazed that it makes you and Orthonorm so angry.
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #94 on: April 11, 2011, 11:10:16 PM »
Not to derail the thread further but I find the paleo diet very intriguing.  A lot of our health problems stem from eating crappy stuff.  There are definitely worse things you can do than eat the foods our ancestors thrived on.  As my anthropology professor once said, a couple hundred years of industrialism do not compare to ten thousand years of human evolution.  Our bodies have not yet adapted to the modern world (which I think is a good thing.  God did a good job creating life, who are we to challenge his wisdom?).

As to the OP, I find that taking a swig of Holy Water does well to quell the temptations.
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2011, 11:19:04 PM »
Not to derail the thread further but I find the paleo diet very intriguing.  A lot of our health problems stem from eating crappy stuff.  There are definitely worse things you can do than eat the foods our ancestors thrived on. 
LOL. Which was often literally crapp.

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As my anthropology professor once said, a couple hundred years of industrialism do not compare to ten thousand years of human evolution.  Our bodies have not yet adapted to the modern world (which I think is a good thing.  God did a good job creating life, who are we to challenge his wisdom?).

As to the OP, I find that taking a swig of Holy Water does well to quell the temptations.
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #96 on: April 12, 2011, 12:20:16 AM »

As to the OP, I find that taking a swig of Holy Water does well to quell the temptations.
yes, I've started taking sips in the mornings and evenings. It's really helped.  I've also been thinking of cutting my prosphora into pieces and eating one every morning. 

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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #97 on: April 12, 2011, 04:00:09 PM »

As to the OP, I find that taking a swig of Holy Water does well to quell the temptations.
yes, I've started taking sips in the mornings and evenings. It's really helped.  I've also been thinking of cutting my prosphora into pieces and eating one every morning. 

My prosphora molded after four days when I used to do that....  does anyone know how to make it keep?
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2011, 04:07:27 PM »

As to the OP, I find that taking a swig of Holy Water does well to quell the temptations.
yes, I've started taking sips in the mornings and evenings. It's really helped.  I've also been thinking of cutting my prosphora into pieces and eating one every morning. 

My prosphora molded after four days when I used to do that....  does anyone know how to make it keep?

Bake it after you take it home.  Cut it into small cubes and then toast them in an oven or toaster oven until they're hard - they should keep for a long time then.  This is what a few of the Athonite monasteries do, and they give the dried Antidoron to people to have with Holy Water in the morning; I've got a 2+ year-old bag from one of the monasteries, and it's all still good.
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2011, 06:22:31 PM »
Not to derail the thread further but I find the paleo diet very intriguing.  A lot of our health problems stem from eating crappy stuff.  There are definitely worse things you can do than eat the foods our ancestors thrived on.
LOL. Which was often literally crapp.

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As my anthropology professor once said, a couple hundred years of industrialism do not compare to ten thousand years of human evolution.  Our bodies have not yet adapted to the modern world (which I think is a good thing.  God did a good job creating life, who are we to challenge his wisdom?).

As to the OP, I find that taking a swig of Holy Water does well to quell the temptations.

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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #100 on: April 12, 2011, 06:42:16 PM »
Marc, you know I got your paleo back, homie  ;)
Written whilst eating mixed raw nuts and fruit swimming in coconut milk.

FWIW, I'm used to eating a LOT of meat, to suddenly none (my first fast), and besides not seeing my deadlift go up weekly with the same old vigor, it has definitely made the marital relations part of the fast more tolerable.
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #101 on: April 12, 2011, 08:10:06 PM »
Marc, you know I got your paleo back, homie  ;)
Written whilst eating mixed raw nuts and fruit swimming in coconut milk.

FWIW, I'm used to eating a LOT of meat, to suddenly none (my first fast), and besides not seeing my deadlift go up weekly with the same old vigor, it has definitely made the marital relations part of the fast more tolerable.

For fun, what is your BW and DL?
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #102 on: April 13, 2011, 02:41:27 AM »
Marc, you know I got your paleo back, homie  ;)
Written whilst eating mixed raw nuts and fruit swimming in coconut milk.

FWIW, I'm used to eating a LOT of meat, to suddenly none (my first fast), and besides not seeing my deadlift go up weekly with the same old vigor, it has definitely made the marital relations part of the fast more tolerable.

For fun, what is your BW and DL?

Not much. 165BW/265DL. Had to lose about 60lbs to begin with 2 years ago, having gotten way out of shape, and I just did it all relatively quickly, which meant throwing out the msucle with the bad stuff!
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2011, 03:16:18 AM »
Marc, you know I got your paleo back, homie  ;)
Written whilst eating mixed raw nuts and fruit swimming in coconut milk.

FWIW, I'm used to eating a LOT of meat, to suddenly none (my first fast), and besides not seeing my deadlift go up weekly with the same old vigor, it has definitely made the marital relations part of the fast more tolerable.

For fun, what is your BW and DL?

Not much. 165BW/265DL. Had to lose about 60lbs to begin with 2 years ago, having gotten way out of shape, and I just did it all relatively quickly, which meant throwing out the msucle with the bad stuff!
My bad, I'd just typed 165, so I hit a 6 again instead of a 4. I weigh 165 and dead 245, not 265. (but my Save% is great, and my on-base percentage ain't bad either!  :D)
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #104 on: April 14, 2011, 12:32:26 AM »
@ Fr George - thank you so much for the tip!  To toast, away I go.
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Re: deaing with sexual tension, as an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #105 on: May 02, 2011, 05:16:31 PM »
Was this link mentioned yet? I don't recall seeing it, but it's been a couple weeks since I read the thread... anyway...

http://orthodoxcounselor.com/healing_from_lust.htm

A lot of info on the site to sift through, but some good points...  now if I could put the advice into practice  :angel: