1. Does it bother you, me saying that if ROCOR rebaptize people it is dabbling in the donatist heresy? and if you missed it,I said that other orthodox churches recieve catholics by christmation(sp). So no, I was not taking a ceap shop at any church.
Dear RB,
By now, I expect that, even if you don't agree with the position, you will have been exposed at least once to the notion that Orthodox don't regard Roman Catholics as being part of the Body of Christ, or at the very least are agnostic about the question. See Ambrose's post regarding Donatism. The charge of Donatism doesn't apply here. If a cradle Orthodox person, for example, became a Muslim and then came back, and they were re-baptised, then it applies.
No, I did not miss that you mentioned that other Churches receive RC's by Chrismation, but two things come to mind. One, barring some sort of conciliar decree explicitly stating how a convert is to be received, it is the bishop's prerogative to determine how this happens. Two, as a Roman Catholic, you believe that Confirmation/Chrismation also confers an indelible mark upon the soul of the recipient. How come you are not railing out against the Orthodox for chrismating RC's? You don't seem consistent.
It is most unfortunate that you took my comment out of context. I was comparing/contrasting the practice of rebaptizing to the settlement of the donatist heresy. That is all.
I didn't take it out of context. First, I see you (and pretty much only you) talking about how Joe is betraying his principles for cash, comparing him to Judas, etc., and it is clear he is not doing that. I can only presume that you just like picking on people who are converting to Orthodoxy from RCism because you don't like that. Then you asked if Joe was baptised in the RCC, he said no because he was baptised by Protestants and this was accepted by the RC's, but not by the Orthodox, and you come out with "So ROCOR Is Donatist!" Then, the following:
No they do not. conditionally is not rebaptising someone. you know this but you are being very dificult. we are not donatist. and if you were baptized already and rocor rebaptises you then they are donatist. of course fringe groups like ROCOR like to dabble in heresy. other regular orthodox churches do not rebaptise catholics but recieve them through christmation(sp).1. If conditional baptism is not re-baptising someone (the presumption being that one doesn't know if a true baptism actually occurred), then a convert to Orthodoxy from RCism (whose Protestant baptism was accepted by the RC's) getting baptised is also not a case of re-baptising. Even if Orthodoxy fully accepted RC baptism on a universal scale (which it doesn't), it does not recognise Protestant "sacraments", nor would it recognise (I think) the authority of RC bishops in determining what is and is not OK. If you thought it through enough, it'd make sense. You either do not think it through, or you just like to annoy. "You know this, but you are being very difficult", indeed!
2. A minor point that I don't consider all that relevant to the matter, but even back when I thought ROCOR was nuts, I didn't think they were a "fringe group". HOCNA is a fringe group. ROCOR is obviously not. That didn't prevent me from thinking both were nuts a couple of years ago, but I could still distinguish between fringe and normal but nuts.
3. Accusing someone or their Church of dabbling in heresy is a serious charge, and you're in no position to wildly fling that about--a), you are not a bishop, and b) you are not Orthodox, but Roman Catholic. Pray tell, which Church has been dabbling in more heresy?
2. What do you think the donatist heresy is? The question about rebaptising was settled a longtime ago.
I answered this, as did others.
3. Does it bother you that I said that ROCOR is a finge group? That is what many orthodox say. I am just repeating what they are saying.
Saying that ROCOR was a fringe group was not at all what bothered me.
