father HLLL, I can acuse the Bishop of the truth, he and the other 2 hierarchs sold out the Ukrainian church to the Eccumenical Patriarchate in 1995 (well in fairness, Bishop Daniel was a Catholic at that time and today is more of a rubber stamp for the Eccumenical Patriachate)
"propoganda" is not Latin for "truth," cossack. If healing schism is selling out, then you have nothing to sell, so stop peddling your merchandise.
They are NOT Ukrainian bishops but Greek Bishops of Ukrainian descent.
So, when did the blood change in your "patriarch's" veins. Wasn't Filoret a Russian bishop of Ukrainian descent before? Did he become a Ukrainian bishop in the process of being defrocked?
I guess we have to write off most of the history of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine before the reunion with the Patriarchate of Moscow, as most of the metropolitians of Kiev and elsewhere were Greek, Bulgarian, etc. bishops of Greek, Bulgarian etc. descent.
Metropolitan Volodymyr of Kiev and All Ukraine is a Ukrianian bishop of Ukrainian discent, birth, education and residence. I don't know about the facts surrounding Bp. Daniel and the rest of the Ukrainian hiearchy, except that they are Orthodox and Ukrainians tell me that they are Ukrainian.
Father Harry and Pani Liza, I have met you both in the past yet will keep my identity anonymous. Just admit that the UOCUSA is parish under the Eccumenical Patriachate.
They've never denied that, just your ravings on it.
The UOCUSA bishops have to be approved by Constantinople just as Uki Catholic bishops must be approved by Rome. Just as the Ukrainian Catholic Church is under the Vatican, the UOCUSA is under Constantinople.
Like any Protestant church, yours needs no approval for your bishops. Btw, IIRC Met. Volodymyr doesn't need any approval, besides his own Church, for his bishops.
Father Harry, I mean no disrespect to you Converts are not a problem....unless, they have been indoctrinated with a false history of orthodoxy in Ukraine and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church in the Diaspora. And propagate such beliefs.
For instance, if the priest believes that the only church that has merit in Ukraine is the Moscow Patriarchate because it is "canonical" he should not serve in a church that was built by ukrainians in direct protest of such beliefs.
If it was set up as a Ukrainian Protestant church of the eastern rite, it is free to make up its own rules as it goes along. If it was set up by Ukrainians to propogate the Orthodox Faith, then it has to follow the rules the Fathers laid down.
All the churches in the diaspora were built while the UOC in The USA was an autocephalous church
There was no autocephalous Church in the USA before 1970. There were and are a lot of ecclesiastical communities who have no link to the Apostles and hence are independent, being founded by others.
and always believed itself a part of an independent church.
Since the subjugation of the UOC in the USA to Constantinople, no churches have been built and many are closing. Coincidence? I think not.
Like any Protestant, you are free to think anything you like.
As long as the convert priest acknowledges and respects the wishes of a Ukrainian congregation and does not try to create a melting pot, while to busy to promote what is ukrainian and what built the church, I see no issues.
So while there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, free nor slave, there is Ukrainian and non-Ukrainian.
St. Paul tells us to anathematize anyone who comes with another gospel.
How are they allowed to be in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church without knowing completely the history and beliefs of the ukrainian people.
You believe in a monolithic, nationist, ethnocentric and Ukrainian church.
The Ukrainian Orthodox believe in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
If they want a pan-orthodox church, why choose the ukrainian orthodox church?
Why not? The Ukranians are as Orthodox as anyone else and more so, and had a lot to do with the bringing of Orthodoxy to North America.
Perhaps many are not accepted by the big jurisdictions or have had issues in other jurisdictions?
Maybe they love Ukraine and Ukrianians, and how they do Orthodoxy.
This also the lay person must find out after the fact and after the damage is done in many cases.
Well, you expertise in damage can't be disputed.
Certain clergy are a problem no matter if they are converts or not, but one must question the motives of a non-ukrainian joining a ukrainian orthodox church,
As long as they are Orthodox, no, one must not. You protestants are free to conduct your witch hunt on your own turf.
just as you see no greek or bulgarian priest asking to be a part of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church etc...We should not generalize or pass judgement until the actions of such clergy make it necessary.
Like when they take a defrocked hierarch as their primate.