Topic: Pontifical Western-Rite High Mass to be celebrated in ROCOR Canada WR

[Michał]

. . . the Old Believers have a diocese . . .

They do?

Sorry, my error.   Bishop Daniel of Erie who died last year (memory eternal) was a vicar-bishop and not the ruling bishop of a diocese.

That's what I thought. It would be strange to have a diocese consisting of one parish.

[SubdeaconDavid]

My understanding is that the bishops will not create specifically Western Rite bishops since it is not right to divide the faithful within a territory either by race or rite. Presumably if the Isle of Man were solidly Western Rite with no admixture of Byzantines a case could be made for appointing a Western Rite bishop for the island.

Not the strongest arguement since Russian Orthodox faithful are still divided between between ROCOR dioceses and MP dioceses in America and elsewhere and they are the same race and rite.  The Western Rite can't get a vicar bishop? The Old Rite had one.

Yes, there is some chaos in the Diaspora but why spread it?

I take your point about the Old Believers Diocese though.

At the moment the Western Rite of ROCA does have a Vicar Bishop -Bishop Jerome of Manhattan.

The entire Western Rite world of ROCA (USA, Australia and Britain) is outside the diocesan system and every institution is constituted as a "stavropegial" institution directly under Metropolitan Hilarion.   This was something he enacted to protect ROCA's Western Rite since there is not a great amount of favour for it among the synod of bishops and some would refuse to have Western Rite in their dioceses.  So its existence remains precarious and it would remain to be seen how it would fare if a new Metropolitan were elected who was not sympathetic to Western Rite.

The preponderance of bishops against Western Rite also helps explain why the Old Believers have a diocese but the WRers do not (apart from the reason of their very small numbers.)

Is it your understanding that the majority of ROCOR bishops and many clergy are against the WR Father?

[Rdunbar123]

What rite did the apostles use? When did any formalized liturgy become fixed and unchanginG in use? Did any of the ecumenical councils codify what was the acceptable content of the liturgy? My point is that in my view as a RC, the strength and validity of the OC is that it adheres to the first councils and the theology doesn't evolve so error doesn't creep in. The essentials can't change

[mike]

What rite did the apostles use?

Who knows?

When did any formalized liturgy become fixed and unchanginG in use?

St. James Liturgy is the oldest currently used EO DL. I have no idea when did it originate. Second, third century?

Did any of the ecumenical councils codify what was the acceptable content of the liturgy?

No, not really.

[mike]

http://christminster.org/2011/05/joyous-weekend-at-christminster/

Relation and pictures.

[Shlomlokh]

http://christminster.org/2011/05/joyous-weekend-at-christminster/

Relation and pictures.

Wonderful! Thanks for sharing. I look forward to their video upload of the Liturgy.

In Christ,
Andrew

[Wyatt]

Well doesn't he just look snazzy in his Latin vestments. 

[podkarpatska]

Well doesn't he just look snazzy in his Latin vestments. 

Maybe its just me, but they really don't look all that comfortable. I wish them well and I don't doubt their sincerity, I guess I really don't need to have an opinion on this.

[ialmisry]

Christus resurrexit!

Well doesn't he just look snazzy in his Latin vestments. 

Yes, his grace does.

[Shlomlokh]

Christus resurrexit!

Well doesn't he just look snazzy in his Latin vestments. 

Yes, his grace does.

Vere resurrexit!

I'm curious, why isn't His Grace wearing a pallium?

In Christ,
Andrew

[mike]

He is a Vicar Bishop. AFAIK in Latin Tradition it shows the right to ordain Bishops and he has none.

Just a guess.

[Shlomlokh]

He is a Vicar Bishop. AFAIK in Latin Tradition it shows the right to ordain Bishops and he has none.

Just a guess.

Ah, I forgot. He is the same as Bp. George (Schaeffer) of Mayfield.

In Christ,
Andrew