Michał
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« Reply #135 on: April 08, 2011, 06:29:45 AM » |
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. . . the Old Believers have a diocese . . . They do? Sorry, my error. Bishop Daniel of Erie who died last year (memory eternal) was a vicar-bishop and not the ruling bishop of a diocese. That's what I thought. It would be strange to have a diocese consisting of one parish.  |
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"...the spread of the light of Orthodoxy among the peoples of all the lands where our Church exists continues as an inseparable part of our mission": Metropolitan Hilarion, First Hierarch of ROCOR
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« Reply #136 on: April 08, 2011, 08:26:42 AM » |
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My understanding is that the bishops will not create specifically Western Rite bishops since it is not right to divide the faithful within a territory either by race or rite. Presumably if the Isle of Man were solidly Western Rite with no admixture of Byzantines a case could be made for appointing a Western Rite bishop for the island. Not the strongest arguement since Russian Orthodox faithful are still divided between between ROCOR dioceses and MP dioceses in America and elsewhere and they are the same race and rite. The Western Rite can't get a vicar bishop? The Old Rite had one. Yes, there is some chaos in the Diaspora but why spread it? I take your point about the Old Believers Diocese though. At the moment the Western Rite of ROCA does have a Vicar Bishop -Bishop Jerome of Manhattan. The entire Western Rite world of ROCA (USA, Australia and Britain) is outside the diocesan system and every institution is constituted as a "stavropegial" institution directly under Metropolitan Hilarion. This was something he enacted to protect ROCA's Western Rite since there is not a great amount of favour for it among the synod of bishops and some would refuse to have Western Rite in their dioceses. So its existence remains precarious and it would remain to be seen how it would fare if a new Metropolitan were elected who was not sympathetic to Western Rite. The preponderance of bishops against Western Rite also helps explain why the Old Believers have a diocese but the WRers do not (apart from the reason of their very small numbers.) Is it your understanding that the majority of ROCOR bishops and many clergy are against the WR Father? |
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« Reply #137 on: April 08, 2011, 10:34:04 AM » |
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What rite did the apostles use? When did any formalized liturgy become fixed and unchanginG in use? Did any of the ecumenical councils codify what was the acceptable content of the liturgy? My point is that in my view as a RC, the strength and validity of the OC is that it adheres to the first councils and the theology doesn't evolve so error doesn't creep in. The essentials can't change
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Michał Kalina
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« Reply #138 on: April 08, 2011, 03:27:24 PM » |
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What rite did the apostles use? Who knows? When did any formalized liturgy become fixed and unchanginG in use? St. James Liturgy is the oldest currently used EO DL. I have no idea when did it originate. Second, third century? Did any of the ecumenical councils codify what was the acceptable content of the liturgy? No, not really. |
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formerly known as mike
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Michał Kalina
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« Reply #139 on: May 30, 2011, 03:58:14 PM » |
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formerly known as mike
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« Reply #140 on: May 30, 2011, 10:13:56 PM » |
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Wonderful! Thanks for sharing. I look forward to their video upload of the Liturgy.  In Christ, Andrew |
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"I will pour out my prayer unto the Lord, and to Him will I proclaim my grief; for with evils my soul is filled, and my life unto hades hath drawn nigh, and like Jonah I will pray: From corruption raise me up, O God." -Ode VI, Irmos of the Supplicatory Canon to the Theotokos
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« Reply #142 on: May 31, 2011, 05:15:23 PM » |
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Well doesn't he just look snazzy in his Latin vestments.  Maybe its just me, but they really don't look all that comfortable. I wish them well and I don't doubt their sincerity, I guess I really don't need to have an opinion on this. |
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« Reply #143 on: May 31, 2011, 05:41:02 PM » |
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Christus resurrexit!  Well doesn't he just look snazzy in his Latin vestments. Yes, his grace does. |
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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
and both come out of your mouth
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Shlomlokh
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« Reply #144 on: May 31, 2011, 05:42:35 PM » |
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Christus resurrexit! Well doesn't he just look snazzy in his Latin vestments. Yes, his grace does. Vere resurrexit! I'm curious, why isn't His Grace wearing a pallium? In Christ, Andrew |
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"I will pour out my prayer unto the Lord, and to Him will I proclaim my grief; for with evils my soul is filled, and my life unto hades hath drawn nigh, and like Jonah I will pray: From corruption raise me up, O God." -Ode VI, Irmos of the Supplicatory Canon to the Theotokos
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Michał Kalina
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« Reply #145 on: May 31, 2011, 06:34:22 PM » |
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He is a Vicar Bishop. AFAIK in Latin Tradition it shows the right to ordain Bishops and he has none.
Just a guess.
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formerly known as mike
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« Reply #146 on: May 31, 2011, 06:38:52 PM » |
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He is a Vicar Bishop. AFAIK in Latin Tradition it shows the right to ordain Bishops and he has none.
Just a guess.
Ah, I forgot. He is the same as Bp. George (Schaeffer) of Mayfield. In Christ, Andrew |
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"I will pour out my prayer unto the Lord, and to Him will I proclaim my grief; for with evils my soul is filled, and my life unto hades hath drawn nigh, and like Jonah I will pray: From corruption raise me up, O God." -Ode VI, Irmos of the Supplicatory Canon to the Theotokos
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