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Over on a thread about the Rosary Altar Boy listed the various mysteries of the St. Seraphim adaptation of the Rosary. The last 'mystery' is "The Crowning of the Mother of God by the Blessed Trinity". How is this different from "The Coronation of Mary, Queen of Heaven" (Maria Regina) in the Roman tradition? Is there a significant theological difference, or is this a case of distinctive Western and Eastern titles for the same doctrine? |
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 09:50:16 PM » |
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As far as I have seen, both sides recognize the Theotokos as being essentially the Queen Mum of the Universe & Heaven.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 10:25:23 PM » |
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Mary is Recognized as Queen of Heaven and Earth in the Orthodox tradition in my experience as well as Mother of the Church.
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 06:43:55 AM » |
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Dear Jordanz,
For a theological comment, from the Melkite bishops, please see message 2
Also, click on the Tag "Queen of Heaven" at the bottom left of this page.
Thanks. I now see that both West and East hold to the same doctrine, but under different names. Heck, I even read somewhere that Martin Luther confessed that Our Lady is the Queen of Heaven! (no joke). Then again, I also think I read somewhere that Martin Luther still held to the Holy Dormition/Assumption even after his official break with the Roman Church. |
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 09:35:06 AM » |
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Heck, I even read somewhere that Martin Luther confessed that Our Lady is the Queen of Heaven! (no joke). Then again, I also think I read somewhere that Martin Luther still held to the Holy Dormition/Assumption even after his official break with the Roman Church. Luther also espoused the perpetual virginity of the Mother of God, as did, surprisingly enough, Calvin and Zwingli. The attempt to completely remove the Mother of God from the record (Mary reduced to a mere "vessel", or the notion that she and Joseph had further children) appeared centuries later in protestant thought and belief. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2011, 04:40:59 PM » |
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Heck, I even read somewhere that Martin Luther confessed that Our Lady is the Queen of Heaven! (no joke). Then again, I also think I read somewhere that Martin Luther still held to the Holy Dormition/Assumption even after his official break with the Roman Church. Luther also espoused the perpetual virginity of the Mother of God, as did, surprisingly enough, Calvin and Zwingli. The attempt to completely remove the Mother of God from the record (Mary reduced to a mere "vessel", or the notion that she and Joseph had further children) appeared centuries later in protestant thought and belief. Protestants as late as John Wesley in the 17th century accepted the Perpetual Virginity of the Theotokos without any question whatsoever. They also tended to refer to her, I believe, as the Mother of God (I know Calvin did) as well. That was standard until quite recently (last couple centuries). When I found this out...I was shocked, and felt betrayed by my Protestant upbringing! It actually played a large role in my digging deeper into Holy Tradition, and ultimately my conversion to Orthodoxy. |
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2011, 04:59:43 PM » |
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When I found this out...I was shocked, and felt betrayed by my Protestant upbringing! It actually played a large role in my digging deeper into Holy Tradition, and ultimately my conversion to Orthodoxy.
Thanks be to God. I had a similar experience on my way to coming into full communion with the Catholic Church. |
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2011, 05:07:12 PM » |
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Luther also espoused the perpetual virginity of the Mother of God, as did, surprisingly enough, Calvin and Zwingli. The attempt to completely remove the Mother of God from the record (Mary reduced to a mere "vessel", or the notion that she and Joseph had further children) appeared centuries later in protestant thought and belief.
Protestants as late as John Wesley in the 17th century accepted the Perpetual Virginity of the Theotokos without any question whatsoever. They also tended to refer to her, I believe, as the Mother of God (I know Calvin did) as well. That was standard until quite recently (last couple centuries).
When I found this out...I was shocked, and felt betrayed by my Protestant upbringing! It actually played a large role in my digging deeper into Holy Tradition, and ultimately my conversion to Orthodoxy.
Okay, so which Protestants believe in the perpetual virginity and which don't? Anglicanism officially believes in the perpetual virginity. Given the recent theological atomization of Anglicanism, it's hard to tell what "Anglicanism" means anymore. Confessional Lutherans believe in the perpetual virginity. Do most Reformed Christians still believe in the perpetual virginity? How about Arminianist traditions? |
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2011, 09:35:17 PM » |
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Okay, so which Protestants believe in the perpetual virginity and which don't?
Anglicanism officially believes in the perpetual virginity. Given the recent theological atomization of Anglicanism, it's hard to tell what "Anglicanism" means anymore.
Confessional Lutherans believe in the perpetual virginity.
Do most Reformed Christians still believe in the perpetual virginity? How about Arminianist traditions?
I'm spinning this one off to the Orthodox/Protestantism sub-board. |
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