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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2016, 06:08:20 PM »
It's just a little series with liberal ideas drawn into its characthers. I enjoyed reading it as a teenager and I would still probably would.
But it always sounded to me like a watered down Tolkien.

Liberal ideas like friendship, sacrifice, race equality?
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2016, 06:11:11 PM »
It's just a little series with liberal ideas drawn into its characthers. I enjoyed reading it as a teenager and I would still probably would.
But it always sounded to me like a watered down Tolkien.

Liberal ideas like race equality?

Not hard when all your characters are White. But don't they enslave elves, or something?
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2016, 06:16:21 PM »
A very entertaining article on the politics of Harry Potter: https://samkriss.wordpress.com/2016/09/13/jk-rowling-and-the-cauldron-of-discourse/
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2016, 06:27:00 PM »
It's just a little series with liberal ideas drawn into its characthers. I enjoyed reading it as a teenager and I would still probably would.
But it always sounded to me like a watered down Tolkien.

Liberal ideas like race equality?

Not hard when all your characters are White.

Hardly.

But don't they enslave elves, or something?

The wizard-muggle tension is even more important than that.
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2016, 06:29:15 PM »
It's just a little series with liberal ideas drawn into its characthers. I enjoyed reading it as a teenager and I would still probably would.
But it always sounded to me like a watered down Tolkien.

Liberal ideas like (...) race equality?

Yeah.

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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2016, 06:31:11 PM »
But it doesn't make much sense since the difference between wizards and muggles is not explained very clearly.
Apparently muggles can be just as good as wizards in magic if they are to be instructed, so what makes the wizards different, and what's up with the blood thing?
Fortunately human differences are more obvious, even more some people like to pretend they're make believe.

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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2016, 06:38:16 PM »
Apparently muggles can be just as good as wizards in magic if they are to be instructed, so what makes the wizards different, and what's up with the blood thing?

Wizarding ability is innate. Muggles can't become wizards by instruction. Either you have it or you don't. Even wizarding families get the odd Squib (non-magical member). Mr Filch's frustration at his lack of progress in his course is telling enough.

The whole blood purity that Voldemort and his cronies advocate, of course, is lifted whole cloth off miscegenation laws.
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2016, 07:05:14 PM »
He didn't seem to bother all that much. In fact, Snape seemed to take some pride from it (the Half-blood Prince).
But I didn't read the 7th book, so I'm kindda in the dark I always thought Hermione was a muggle who had done good for herself, buuuuut apparently she wasn't.
Still, I don't like how they make Voldemort to be this evil personification of raaaaciiism (boo) and how evil racists are always the same.

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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2016, 07:09:42 PM »
St. Anthony's Monastery in Arizona had a book, now out of print that not too favorable towards Harry Potter. It's called "Harry Potter -truth about the story" or something along those lines. Somehow some on here will probably dismiss it though.
It is "Innocent Fun or Insidious Threat?" It is produced by the Orthodox Missionary Brotherhood of St Poemen.

And with a title like that, I think you already know the book's conclusion. ;)
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2016, 07:11:01 PM »
It's just a little series with liberal ideas drawn into its characthers. I enjoyed reading it as a teenager and I would still probably would.
But it always sounded to me like a watered down Tolkien.

Liberal ideas like (...) race equality?

Yeah.
So edgy.
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2016, 07:11:26 PM »
It's just a little series with liberal ideas drawn into its characthers. I enjoyed reading it as a teenager and I would still probably would.
But it always sounded to me like a watered down Tolkien.

Liberal ideas like race equality?

Not hard when all your characters are White.

Hardly.

White and Ginger?
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2016, 07:12:20 PM »
St. Anthony's Monastery in Arizona had a book, now out of print that not too favorable towards Harry Potter. It's called "Harry Potter -truth about the story" or something along those lines. Somehow some on here will probably dismiss it though.
It is "Innocent Fun or Insidious Threat?" It is produced by the Orthodox Missionary Brotherhood of St Poemen.

And with a title like that, I think you already know the book's conclusion. ;)

So pleasant of them to come out in the title already proclaiming it innocent fun ...
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2016, 07:15:48 PM »
It's just a little series with liberal ideas drawn into its characthers. I enjoyed reading it as a teenager and I would still probably would.
But it always sounded to me like a watered down Tolkien.

Liberal ideas like (...) race equality?

Yeah.
So edgy.

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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2016, 07:16:13 PM »
He didn't seem to bother all that much. In fact, Snape seemed to take some pride from it (the Half-blood Prince).
But I didn't read the 7th book, so I'm kindda in the dark I always thought Hermione was a muggle who had done good for herself, buuuuut apparently she wasn't.
Still, I don't like how they make Voldemort to be this evil personification of raaaaciiism (boo) and how evil racists are always the same.

Voldemort is a half-blood himself, and hates himself for it. Hermione is Muggle-born, hence the Malfoys' scorn for her, but she's definitely a witch, or she wouldn't be in Hogwarts.

'My pedigree is better than your pedigree' clashes exist throughout history in all cultures, whether race (as understood in modern racism) comes in or not. In a culture where a crucial ability is largely hereditary, it is naive to think the issue wouldn't or shouldn't come up.

Pure-blood supremacy
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2016, 07:19:40 PM »
It's just a little series with liberal ideas drawn into its characthers. I enjoyed reading it as a teenager and I would still probably would.
But it always sounded to me like a watered down Tolkien.

Liberal ideas like race equality?

Not hard when all your characters are White.

Hardly.

White and Ginger?

And Black, and Asian, and Oriental, and plenty of unspecifieds.
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2016, 07:22:50 PM »
He didn't seem to bother all that much. In fact, Snape seemed to take some pride from it (the Half-blood Prince).
But I didn't read the 7th book, so I'm kindda in the dark I always thought Hermione was a muggle who had done good for herself, buuuuut apparently she wasn't.
Still, I don't like how they make Voldemort to be this evil personification of raaaaciiism (boo) and how evil racists are always the same.

Voldemort is a half-blood himself, and hates himself for it. Hermione is Muggle-born, hence the Malfoys' scorn for her, but she's definitely a witch, or she wouldn't be in Hogwarts.

'My pedigree is better than your pedigree' clashes exist throughout history in all cultures, whether race (as understood in modern racism) comes in or not. In a culture where a crucial ability is largely hereditary, it is naive to think the issue wouldn't or shouldn't come up.

Pure-blood supremacy

I just don't like how people discuss this matter nowadays and how some positions get stereotyped because they're "racist". Harry Potter is a part of it, that's my two cents on the matter.
Still, as I said, I would read the books and consider them to be good. It's not your Alexander Dumas or your Dostoyevsky, but does the job for entertainment. And all the fuss about satanism is just plain retarded.

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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2016, 07:25:13 PM »
Dumas was the Dan Brown of his time. No kidding.
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2016, 07:30:11 PM »
Guess people were better back then, huh. :laugh:

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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2016, 07:58:59 PM »
Dumas was the Dan Brown of his time. No kidding.

Nobody but Dan Brown deserves to be called the Dan Brown of any time. Such mind-numbing page-grinding, such rudimentary syntax, yet combined with such promiscuous invention don't come along every day.
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2016, 07:59:43 PM »
Guess people were better back then, huh.

It would be hard to imagine any time was worse.
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2016, 04:49:21 AM »
Guess people were better back then, huh.

It would be hard to imagine any time was worse.

All of them.
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Re: Orthodox Christian View of Harry Potter
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2016, 07:25:33 AM »
"The Hidden Key to Harry Potter: Understanding the Meaning, Genius, and Popularity of Joanne Rowling's Harry Potter Novels" by John Granger who is Orthodox. I've not read his book, but in the link there is a description of it.

I also remember that the website of my parish has posted once a defence of Harry Potter.

And, personally, I really like it, and don'w know why there are still discussions about this book. I think vampires are much worse (despite the fact I like animation Hotel Transylvania).
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