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« on: March 23, 2011, 10:19:31 PM »

I was going to post this on the thread "Orthodox-Catholic Obstacles to Reunion? (A Poll)", but then I decided it was a little too far off the topic of that thread, so here it is instead ...

It generally goes without saying that the Roman Catholic Church believes that (1) everything she teaches is true and (2) that she will never "unteach" those teachings.

Of course, Orthodox disagree with (1), but what's strange is that many Orthodox actually agree with (2). That is to say, they believe that Rome is infallibly wrong -- that she is in error and can never come back to the truth. That's a little disturbing, I think.
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 10:25:45 PM »

I was going to post this on the thread "Orthodox-Catholic Obstacles to Reunion? (A Poll)", but then I decided it was a little too far off the topic of that thread, so here it is instead ...

It generally goes without saying that the Roman Catholic Church believes that (1) everything she teaches is true and (2) that she will never "unteach" those teachings.

Of course, Orthodox disagree with (1), but what's strange is that many Orthodox actually agree with (2). That is to say, they believe that Rome is infallibly wrong -- that she is in error and can never come back to the truth. That's a little disturbing, I think.

The Vatican is wrong and if they think they are infallible (whatever that means, since that word gets stretched), then why on earth would an EO not come to that conclusion.

Put your post into syllogistic form with some Latin thrown in and it will make sense to you.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 10:25:54 PM »

Why is it disturbing? The entire Eastern Orthodox Communion is not just going to declare Rome to be orthodox (at least I do not think so). Conversions will happen as they do now, and that is that individual Christians will cross the Tiber and join the Catholic Church but not entire Christian communions.
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 10:54:02 PM »

I was going to post this on the thread "Orthodox-Catholic Obstacles to Reunion? (A Poll)", but then I decided it was a little too far off the topic of that thread, so here it is instead ...

It generally goes without saying that the Roman Catholic Church believes that (1) everything she teaches is true and (2) that she will never "unteach" those teachings.

Of course, Orthodox disagree with (1), but what's strange is that many Orthodox actually agree with (2). That is to say, they believe that Rome is infallibly wrong -- that she is in error and can never come back to the truth. That's a little disturbing, I think.
I am of the opinion that Rome or at least large portions of the hierarchy could have integrity and be willing to admit that some teachings are not Orthodox and thus heretical. Look at what happened at Vatican I when many bishops refused to sign off on Papal Infallibility. Rome did apologize for the sacking of Constantinople and tried to make good on it. I do respect them for that much.

I have also heard many RCs say that they would immediately become Orthodox if Rome ever dogmatized more Marian doctrines (that are borderline or over the top blasphemy). I converted before that because I saw the path that Rome was on. Perhaps, more clergy and laity will wake up to this fact. I pray to St. Alexis of Wilkes-Barre everyday for that. But this outbreak of more zany doctrines and visions is a sign of a greater disease, I'm afraid. Sad

I think many Orthodox would believe the 2nd option you have because they see Rome as incredibly prideful and unwilling to repent. Unam Sanctam, Pastor Aeternus, Lumen Gentium, Cum Data Fuerit, etc. I don't know of any Orthodox online or in real life that would not want Rome to repent of its heresies and return to the fullness of Christ's Church, but Rome as a whole will probably not see those heresies as heresies, but "orthodox developed doctrines." I hope that helps.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 11:11:10 PM »

Of course, Orthodox disagree with (1), but what's strange is that many Orthodox actually agree with (2). That is to say, they believe that Rome is infallibly wrong -- that she is in error and can never come back to the truth. That's a little disturbing, I think.
I won't go into specifics quite yet, but isn't that true for most faiths and denominations? That they believe that theirs is the true one? It's always uncomfortable to look at that from another standpoint.

I do believe that Rome is wrong on certain issues.

However, I also believe that Roman Catholics are truly Christians (well, generally -- you can't say that for everybody in ANY denomination) and that God will look at all of our hearts on Judgment Day and make His determination. Maybe certain doctrines won't matter at the end of the day. But do I think that the RCC is in error about certain things? Certainly.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 11:15:51 PM »

I was going to post this on the thread "Orthodox-Catholic Obstacles to Reunion? (A Poll)", but then I decided it was a little too far off the topic of that thread, so here it is instead ...

It generally goes without saying that the Roman Catholic Church believes that (1) everything she teaches is true and (2) that she will never "unteach" those teachings.

Of course, Orthodox disagree with (1), but what's strange is that many Orthodox actually agree with (2). That is to say, they believe that Rome is infallibly wrong -- that she is in error and can never come back to the truth. That's a little disturbing, I think.

It's not so much that Rome can never come back, all things are indeed possible, but given Rome's stance on (1) it makes (2) nigh impossible to repeal.  If a man takes the wrong turn and keeps insisting that he has an impeccable sense of direction despite all evidence to the contrary and hasn't stopped for directions in three days how much longer until he drives straight into the ocean?
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2011, 01:22:34 AM »

Of course, Orthodox disagree with (1), but what's strange is that many Orthodox actually agree with (2). That is to say, they believe that Rome is infallibly wrong -- that she is in error and can never come back to the truth. That's a little disturbing, I think.

It's complete nonsense.
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2011, 01:23:58 AM »

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The Vatican is wrong and if they think they are infallible (whatever that means, since that word gets stretched), then why on earth would an EO not come to that conclusion.

Uh....

Are you suggesting that you agree that Rome is "infallibly wrong"?
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2011, 01:26:22 AM »

Why is it disturbing? The entire Eastern Orthodox Communion is not just going to declare Rome to be orthodox (at least I do not think so).

That is contingent on whether Rome changes its doctrine from being heterodox.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2011, 01:31:34 AM »

I won't go into specifics quite yet, but isn't that true for most faiths and denominations?

That they can never come back to the truth?  Huh

However, I also believe that Roman Catholics are truly Christians

How are you defining Christian?
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2011, 05:35:40 AM »

What I think the OP is getting at, and I agree with, is that often, Orthodox assume completely that Rome will never, ever change Her ways, and just don't pay any mind to them. I think that whatever you think of their beliefs, and however firm they are in them, they represent a huge chunk of what was once the church, and giving up on them is counter-productive. Sure, does it seem unlikely that Rome will dump papal infallibility, sketchy devotions based on apparitions, Filioque, IC, etc.etc.? Yes. But we have to remember that we're talking about God, and what He is capable of.

I would also agree with characterizing them as Christians, as I would any denomination, though especially them, because at the very least, the RC church holds on to a lot of what is truly historical Christianity. Where they've gone off track is in adding superfluous nonsense, rather than the Protestants, who have wiped away tons of Orthodox dogma, and then added to that base.
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2011, 09:01:07 AM »

Well, I've read what the Orthodox who have responded to your OP have posted and their answers are predictable for the most part if you hang around here long enough.

If you are looking for a definitive position of The Orthodox Church akin to definitive positions ofThe Roman Catholic Church you will be disappointed as the structure of Orthodoxy precludes such pronouncements as may come from the Magisterium or the Pope himself.

If you are into reading scholarly stuff, there are numerous links to joint documents and position papers posted by the former Standing Conference of Canonical Orthodox Bishops of America (SCOBA) which you may find of interest. http://www.scoba.us/resources/orthodox-catholic.html 

SCOBA is now in the process of becoming the Episcopal Assembly of American Bishops (topic for a whole 'nother post).  (I should note that many here, and across the Orthodox communities, will take issue with some, if not much, of what you will find in these papers, but such inherent to the nature of Orthodoxy. We love to argue amongst ourselves, but we do truly love each other (for the most part....) )

There are many post-schism developments within the Western tradition which would not be totally objectionable to Orthodox had they not been made dogma but had merely remained theologoumena or pious opinions. For an example of such from the Western perspective, St. Gregory Palamas' theology, known as Hesychasm, long derided by centuries of Roman theologians, is now seen by Catholics as a legitimate and helpful approach on the path to Theosis and Salvation. (Within Orthodoxy there are many examples of theologoumena such as the much debated Toll House teaching. Had the Immaculate Conception remained as such, it would not be the obstacle that it presents to many Orthodox.)

Many contemporary Orthodox and Roman Catholic faithful are totally unaware of the rich diversity that existed in ritual expression and theological perspectives or approaches which existed for centuries within the undivided Church prior to the finality of the Schism. Popular legends and myths, often based upon gross historical injustices perpetrated by one side or the other also present a real obstacle to renewing trust and brotherly cooperation.

As to me, I remain hopeful. I regard the Roman Catholic Church as our separated bothers possessing much of the Apostolic tradition and Faith but remaining apart from the wholeness of Orthodoxy. I pray for the day when man's vanity can be overcome and God's will be done.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2011, 09:04:42 AM »

I won't go into specifics quite yet, but isn't that true for most faiths and denominations?

That they can never come back to the truth?  Huh

However, I also believe that Roman Catholics are truly Christians

How are you defining Christian?
I never said that they can never come back to the truth. But honestly, I think that it is unlikely that Rome will change in general, just with my experience as a member of the RCC, an altar server, and a student at several Catholic schools. They believe that they are right and the true way to approach the faith, just as I'm sure that the Orthodox do.

As JimCBrooklyn said, God is bigger than anything, so who knows? If Rome wants to renounce certain doctrines and reunite, I'm sure not going to question their sincerity! Glory be to God if we can unite and agree! That's one less division in the Church.

And by Christian, I refer to several basic principles: the Trinity at the very least (baptism, the Eucharist, using the Bible, etc.). We can play at semantics here, but I do believe that God will look at our hearts at the end of the day and I believe that many RCCs are truly Christian.

Maybe we might get to heaven and God will tell us that He couldn't believe that we spent our time on earth arguing about certain points. Maybe certain points will matter than others. What can I say? I don't know but I trust Him on this one.
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I am of the opinion that Rome or at least large portions of the hierarchy could have integrity and be willing to admit that some teachings are not Orthodox and thus heretical.

That just doesn't make sense to me. We (Catholics, I mean) aren't about to say "We believe X, but at the same time we want to be honest and tell everyone that we consider X to be heretical." That wouldn't be honest at all.

It's like IsmiLiora said, pretty much all churches and denominations believe themselves to be in the right. Why would anyone be surprised that Catholics believe their own teachings to be correct? If we didn't consider those teachings to be correct, why would we believe them?

(Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, but I don't how else to respond to your statement.)


I think many Orthodox would believe the 2nd option you have because they see Rome as incredibly prideful and unwilling to repent. Unam Sanctam, Pastor Aeternus, Lumen Gentium, Cum Data Fuerit, etc. I don't know of any Orthodox online or in real life that would not want Rome to repent of its heresies and return to the fullness of Christ's Church, but Rome as a whole will probably not see those heresies as heresies, but "orthodox developed doctrines." I hope that helps.

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Yes, that last paragraph does help. But the thing is that many Orthodox (perhaps not most, but many anyhow) don't just say "We shouldn't be naive or overly optimistic about Rome changing anytime soon." If that was all they said, I wouldn't object, because that's just being realistic.

What I object to is when Orthodox cite some statement or other from Rome that says "We declare X to be true, and we further declare that it is an unchangeable teaching of the Catholic Church", and say "See, that proves that the heresy of X will always to held by Rome!"

To that I say, if you don't accept Rome's statement that X is true, why do you automatically accept Rome's statement that X is an unchangeable teaching of the RCC?
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2011, 09:40:51 AM »

I won't go into specifics quite yet, but isn't that true for most faiths and denominations?

That they can never come back to the truth?  Huh

However, I also believe that Roman Catholics are truly Christians

How are you defining Christian?
I never said that they can never come back to the truth. But honestly, I think that it is unlikely that Rome will change in general, just with my experience as a member of the RCC, an altar server, and a student at several Catholic schools. They believe that they are right and the true way to approach the faith, just as I'm sure that the Orthodox do.

As JimCBrooklyn said, God is bigger than anything, so who knows? If Rome wants to renounce certain doctrines and reunite, I'm sure not going to question their sincerity! Glory be to God if we can unite and agree! That's one less division in the Church.

And by Christian, I refer to several basic principles: the Trinity at the very least (baptism, the Eucharist, using the Bible, etc.). We can play at semantics here, but I do believe that God will look at our hearts at the end of the day and I believe that many RCCs are truly Christian.

Maybe we might get to heaven and God will tell us that He couldn't believe that we spent our time on earth arguing about certain points. Maybe certain points will matter than others. What can I say? I don't know but I trust Him on this one.
I agree we as laity know that there are issues that prevent sharing the Eucharist, we obey our hierarchs as RC do theirs, appreciate those who love the Lord and their neighbor and pray the Holy Spirit is working in us all.
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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2011, 09:41:32 AM »

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The Vatican is wrong and if they think they are infallible (whatever that means, since that word gets stretched), then why on earth would an EO not come to that conclusion.

Uh....

Are you suggesting that you agree that Rome is "infallibly wrong"?

Please parse that phrase.
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2011, 10:10:30 AM »

I can't claim to speak for deusveritasest, but speaking for myself I would very much like to try and answer your question

if they think they are infallible ... then why on earth would an EO not come to that conclusion.

except that I'm not clear on what it is that you're asking. (Note: I'm trying to take your words out-of-context; I just quoted that part of your post that was the question.)
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2011, 10:21:35 AM »

I can't claim to speak for deusveritasest, but speaking for myself I would very much like to try and answer your question

if they think they are infallible ... then why on earth would an EO not come to that conclusion.

except that I'm not clear on what it is that you're asking. (Note: I'm trying to take your words out-of-context; I just quoted that part of your post that was the question.)

I already gave you advice on how to answer your question. This ain't to deusveritasest's comments.

If the Vatican is in heresy, which it is (ignoring the non-issues above the superfluous stuff). And those heresies have been declared "infallible", then how else are EOs supposed to look at the Vatican.

You all dug a ditch a long time ago and have kept digging.

Then again it depends on what "infallible" means. Maybe there is hope, if there is any organization that can bend that word to render previously stated infallible statements null, it is the Vatican. You all make angels dance on heads of needles after all.

But what "infallibly wrong" means, the questions stands. I doubt most RCs could even begin to give a decent working definition of "infallible". The folks on this board are obviously not your typical RCs, EOs, OOs, Baptists, etc.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2011, 11:24:03 AM »

Why is it disturbing? The entire Eastern Orthodox Communion is not just going to declare Rome to be orthodox (at least I do not think so). Conversions will happen as they do now, and that is that individual Christians will cross the Tiber and join the Catholic Church but not entire Christian communions.

Ummmm  the Orthodox Churches I have belonged to are filled with former Roman Catholics. We even have a former Catholic Priest.

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2011, 11:27:42 AM »

Why is it disturbing? The entire Eastern Orthodox Communion is not just going to declare Rome to be orthodox (at least I do not think so). Conversions will happen as they do now, and that is that individual Christians will cross the Tiber and join the Catholic Church but not entire Christian communions.

Wrong body of water metaphor and not nearly vivid and vituperative enough for internets. The Rubicon.
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2011, 11:54:53 AM »

I can't claim to speak for deusveritasest, but speaking for myself I would very much like to try and answer your question

if they think they are infallible ... then why on earth would an EO not come to that conclusion.

except that I'm not clear on what it is that you're asking. (Note: I'm trying to take your words out-of-context; I just quoted that part of your post that was the question.)

I already gave you advice on how to answer your question. This ain't to deusveritasest's comments.

If the Vatican is in heresy, which it is (ignoring the non-issues above the superfluous stuff). And those heresies have been declared "infallible", then how else are EOs supposed to look at the Vatican.

Thanks for the clarification (and the advice, of course). When I read your earlier post I thought you were asking a question.
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Why is it disturbing? The entire Eastern Orthodox Communion is not just going to declare Rome to be orthodox (at least I do not think so). Conversions will happen as they do now, and that is that individual Christians will cross the Tiber and join the Catholic Church but not entire Christian communions.

Ummmm  the Orthodox Churches I have belonged to are filled with former Roman Catholics. We even have a former Catholic Priest.
Your point? The point I was making is that you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion. Even though there may be RCs who become EO, you will never see the entire Roman Catholic Church become Eastern Orthodox.
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2011, 02:47:35 PM »

Why is it disturbing? The entire Eastern Orthodox Communion is not just going to declare Rome to be orthodox (at least I do not think so). Conversions will happen as they do now, and that is that individual Christians will cross the Tiber and join the Catholic Church but not entire Christian communions.

Ummmm  the Orthodox Churches I have belonged to are filled with former Roman Catholics. We even have a former Catholic Priest.
Your point? The point I was making is that you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion. Even though there may be RCs who become EO, you will never see the entire Roman Catholic Church become Eastern Orthodox.

And yet we all continue to pray the words of our Lord, "Ut omnes unum sint." Just empty words or something more? I wonder when I read the postings from both sides.
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Why is it disturbing? The entire Eastern Orthodox Communion is not just going to declare Rome to be orthodox (at least I do not think so). Conversions will happen as they do now, and that is that individual Christians will cross the Tiber and join the Catholic Church but not entire Christian communions.

Ummmm  the Orthodox Churches I have belonged to are filled with former Roman Catholics. We even have a former Catholic Priest.
Your point? The point I was making is that you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion. Even though there may be RCs who become EO, you will never see the entire Roman Catholic Church become Eastern Orthodox.

And yet we all continue to pray the words of our Lord, "Ut omnes unum sint." Just empty words or something more? I wonder when I read the postings from both sides.
I think you will see us moving closer to unity as more people come into full communion with the True Church (of course we disagree on what one that is), but I do not think we will ever get to a point where there is only one Christian Church again. There may be many who leave their old sect/denomination and join the True Church, but I do not think we will ever see a day when all schismatic Churches and/or denominations cease to exist. Human pride is a funny thing.
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2011, 03:40:18 PM »

Why is it disturbing? The entire Eastern Orthodox Communion is not just going to declare Rome to be orthodox (at least I do not think so). Conversions will happen as they do now, and that is that individual Christians will cross the Tiber and join the Catholic Church but not entire Christian communions.

Ummmm  the Orthodox Churches I have belonged to are filled with former Roman Catholics. We even have a former Catholic Priest.
Your point? The point I was making is that you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion. Even though there may be RCs who become EO, you will never see the entire Roman Catholic Church become Eastern Orthodox.

Two comments ...

First, I don't know what Marc1152 is objecting to in your earlier post.

Second, I concur with podkarpatska's criticism of the cynical attitude of your latter post.
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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2011, 03:45:07 PM »

Your point? The point I was making is that you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion. Even though there may be RCs who become EO, you will never see the entire Roman Catholic Church become Eastern Orthodox.

And yet we all continue to pray the words of our Lord, "Ut omnes unum sint." Just empty words or something more? I wonder when I read the postings from both sides.
I think you will see us moving closer to unity as more people come into full communion with the True Church (of course we disagree on what one that is), but I do not think we will ever get to a point where there is only one Christian Church again. There may be many who leave their old sect/denomination and join the True Church, but I do not think we will ever see a day when all schismatic Churches and/or denominations cease to exist. Human pride is a funny thing.

You can't really win an argument by changing the question. podkarpatska was objecting to your statement that "you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion". Now you are instead talking about the question of all churches/denominations merging together.
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2011, 03:54:33 PM »

Your point? The point I was making is that you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion. Even though there may be RCs who become EO, you will never see the entire Roman Catholic Church become Eastern Orthodox.

And yet we all continue to pray the words of our Lord, "Ut omnes unum sint." Just empty words or something more? I wonder when I read the postings from both sides.
I think you will see us moving closer to unity as more people come into full communion with the True Church (of course we disagree on what one that is), but I do not think we will ever get to a point where there is only one Christian Church again. There may be many who leave their old sect/denomination and join the True Church, but I do not think we will ever see a day when all schismatic Churches and/or denominations cease to exist. Human pride is a funny thing.

You can't really win an argument by changing the question. podkarpatska was objecting to your statement that "you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion". Now you are instead talking about the question of all churches/denominations merging together.
Either way. I don't see either happening.
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2011, 03:57:53 PM »

You can't really win an argument by changing the question. podkarpatska was objecting to your statement that "you will not see an entire Christian communion cease to exist and merge in with another Communion". Now you are instead talking about the question of all churches/denominations merging together.
Either way. I don't see either happening.

Well, I don't share your view, but I'm glad at least that we understand what each other is saying.

P.S. Actually, it's rather fitting that you posted that particular view on this particular thread.

What I mean is: you presumably believe that the Orthodox are in error, right? So combined with what you've said here, that implies that the Orthodox are wrong and will always be wrong -- exactly the reverse of the view many Orthodox have of the RCC.
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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2011, 04:13:35 PM »

Well, I don't share your view, but I'm glad at least that we understand what each other is saying.

P.S. Actually, it's rather fitting that you posted that particular view on this particular thread.

What I mean is: you presumably believe that the Orthodox are in error, right? So combined with what you've said here, that implies that the Orthodox are wrong and will always be wrong -- exactly the reverse of the view many Orthodox have of the RCC.
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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2011, 05:00:13 PM »

Well, I don't share your view, but I'm glad at least that we understand what each other is saying.

P.S. Actually, it's rather fitting that you posted that particular view on this particular thread.

What I mean is: you presumably believe that the Orthodox are in error, right? So combined with what you've said here, that implies that the Orthodox are wrong and will always be wrong -- exactly the reverse of the view many Orthodox have of the RCC.
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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2011, 05:30:00 PM »

Well, I don't share your view, but I'm glad at least that we understand what each other is saying.

P.S. Actually, it's rather fitting that you posted that particular view on this particular thread.

What I mean is: you presumably believe that the Orthodox are in error, right? So combined with what you've said here, that implies that the Orthodox are wrong and will always be wrong -- exactly the reverse of the view many Orthodox have of the RCC.
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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2011, 08:23:31 PM »

I used to be optimistic before I joined this forum. Wink

I realize I'm very late in commenting on that post, but I just wanted to say that it had me chuckling in agreement.
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« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2011, 08:38:46 PM »

That is because most Romanists are quite delusional regarding the nature of their relationship with the Eastern Christian churches and are regularly fed lies by their ecumenist leaders concerning it; this is much more the contributing factor than individuals on OCnet being fanatical.
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« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2011, 10:10:34 PM »

That is because most Romanists are quite delusional regarding the nature of their relationship with the Eastern Christian churches and are regularly fed lies by their ecumenist leaders concerning it; this is much more the contributing factor than individuals on OCnet being fanatical.

Guess I am taking up the cross lately of defending the RCs . . . as folks.

Most "Romanists" I know, if you are referring to RCs in general, don't have any idea of what Orthodoxy is except maybe a Church that is like the RCC but is Greek and serves gyros at their festivals where they raffle off cars.

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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2011, 10:12:14 PM »

That is because most Romanists are quite delusional regarding the nature of their relationship with the Eastern Christian churches and are regularly fed lies by their ecumenist leaders concerning it; this is much more the contributing factor than individuals on OCnet being fanatical.

Guess I am taking up the cross lately of defending the RCs . . . as folks.

Most "Romanists" I know, if you are referring to RCs in general, don't have any idea of what Orthodoxy is except maybe a Church that is like the RCC but is Greek and serves gyros at their festivals where they raffle off cars.
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« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2011, 10:18:45 PM »

That is because most Romanists are quite delusional regarding the nature of their relationship with the Eastern Christian churches and are regularly fed lies by their ecumenist leaders concerning it; this is much more the contributing factor than individuals on OCnet being fanatical.

Guess I am taking up the cross lately of defending the RCs . . . as folks.

Most "Romanists" I know, if you are referring to RCs in general, don't have any idea of what Orthodoxy is except maybe a Church that is like the RCC but is Greek and serves gyros at their festivals where they raffle off cars.



You are right. I wasn't taking into account the massive volume of people of that level of ignorance. I mostly had in mind people who have some basic conception of the nature of the Orthodox Church.

I think proportionally I probably encounter a greater number of the type of person I described than the overall reality.
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2011, 10:21:48 PM »

That is because most Romanists are quite delusional regarding the nature of their relationship with the Eastern Christian churches and are regularly fed lies by their ecumenist leaders concerning it; this is much more the contributing factor than individuals on OCnet being fanatical.

Guess I am taking up the cross lately of defending the RCs . . . as folks.

Most "Romanists" I know, if you are referring to RCs in general, don't have any idea of what Orthodoxy is except maybe a Church that is like the RCC but is Greek and serves gyros at their festivals where they raffle off cars.

Reminds me of my RC Grandmother, who, when I told her that I was driving each week to an Orthodox Church 45 minutes away, looked at me like I was crazy and said "Why? There's one of those churches five minutes away!" (referring to a Greek Catholic parish)  Cheesy
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2011, 10:26:52 PM »

That is because most Romanists are quite delusional regarding the nature of their relationship with the Eastern Christian churches and are regularly fed lies by their ecumenist leaders concerning it; this is much more the contributing factor than individuals on OCnet being fanatical.

Guess I am taking up the cross lately of defending the RCs . . . as folks.

Most "Romanists" I know, if you are referring to RCs in general, don't have any idea of what Orthodoxy is except maybe a Church that is like the RCC but is Greek and serves gyros at their festivals where they raffle off cars.



You are right. I wasn't taking into account the massive volume of people of that level of ignorance. I mostly had in mind people who have some basic conception of the nature of the Orthodox Church.

I think proportionally I probably encounter a greater number of the type of person I described than the overall reality.

Yeah, I think it is easy for us nerds to forget most folks are just doing the best they can with what they have in front of them. Folks on any internet board are a poor cross-section of the topic the board is centered around as is their possible RL circle.
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