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Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« on: March 19, 2011, 12:52:26 PM »
Wow, the MP's youtube site is awesome....http://www.youtube.com/user/russianchurch#p/u/12/wXq_N9iQY_g
I can close my eyes and imagine an image of Hagia Sophia at the height of the empire. Many years!

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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 02:01:09 PM »
I find seeing the Patriarch of Moscow making the Sign of the Cross and bowing before the Holy Altar extremely humbling. Here we have a primate of the largest Orthodox Church in the whole World making same ordinary gestures and bowing before Christ just like everybody else. This is Christianity. :)
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2011, 04:38:54 PM »
Wow, that was intense to the highest degree! So beautiful and awesome.
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 03:25:04 PM »
A truly beautiful service, but I was taken back by those processing out of the altar, crossing in front of the Patriarch.  I was told, "Never cross between the altar table and the bishop."  

I agree, I can imagine what the Liturgy must have been like at Hagia Sophia in its prime.
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2011, 03:34:40 PM »
I think the deacon with the mustache-less beard who is censing to the Patriarch's left was with the head of St. John Chrysostom when it was in NYC last year.  If that's him, he has one of the most beautiful baritone voices I've ever heard.
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2011, 03:36:36 PM »
Also, how do the bishops keep their mitres on?  They look so top heavy that even if it's fitted properly, the slightest bow past horizontal will have it falling right off!
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2011, 03:49:50 PM »
Also, how do the bishops keep their mitres on?  They look so top heavy that even if it's fitted properly, the slightest bow past horizontal will have it falling right off!

Its called willpower...lol   :D
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 04:02:39 PM »
Also, how do the bishops keep their mitres on?  They look so top heavy that even if it's fitted properly, the slightest bow past horizontal will have it falling right off!

Ah, one of the great holy mysteries of Orthodoxy!

I believe they are hollow inside and fit around the head a little more snugly than might be readily apparent, helping the bishop keep it on.  Although I could swear some bishops must have an invisible angel standing by to hold it in place.
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 01:26:30 AM »
Everything Was Just Great, though i didn't and don't like ,The deep voice Chants, of the Russian Deacons and high Back vestments , to me they look like they never fit right, everything else was just Grand...... :police:
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2011, 01:56:25 AM »
How beautiful, how inspiring!
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2011, 04:54:06 AM »
How after watching that could anyone even think of going to a service in a protestant church with a "praise band".
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2011, 09:07:59 AM »
Everything Was Just Great, though i didn't and don't like ,The deep voice Chants, of the Russian Deacons and high Back vestments , to me they look like they never fit right, everything else was just Grand...... :police:

Yea, I'm not a fan of those ultra deep deacon voices.  As for the High Back vestments...they are fine, but they need to be made for the person wearing them and that person needs to know how to wear them.  I remember a little priest wearing those high backs and he literally disappeared from view...lol  As to not knowing how to wear them...I remember one priest would constantly tug at the front of his vestment and in the process break the back so it would be all floppy.
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2011, 09:11:54 AM »
Everything Was Just Great, though i didn't and don't like ,The deep voice Chants, of the Russian Deacons and high Back vestments , to me they look like they never fit right, everything else was just Grand...... :police:

Yea, I'm not a fan of those ultra deep deacon voices.  As for the High Back vestments...they are fine, but they need to be made for the person wearing them and that person needs to know how to wear them.  I remember a little priest wearing those high backs and he literally disappeared from view...lol  As to not knowing how to wear them...I remember one priest would constantly tug at the front of his vestment and in the process break the back so it would be all floppy.

The thing that annoys me the most about high-backed vestments is the way the back gets off center, if you will.  I'm a bit of a stickler for symmetry in many things, this being one of them.  It distracts me so much that I want to run up and fix the vestment for the priest, kind of like picking a white thread off the back of a dark blue sweater ;)
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2011, 09:22:04 AM »
Everything Was Just Great, though i didn't and don't like ,The deep voice Chants, of the Russian Deacons and high Back vestments , to me they look like they never fit right, everything else was just Grand...... :police:

Wow, Stashko and I agree on something!  ;)

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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2011, 12:02:25 PM »
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Also, as to how the bishops keep their mitres on... Duct tape. Man's best inanimate friend. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2011, 01:20:36 PM »
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Also, as to how the bishops keep their mitres on... Duct tape. Man's best inanimate friend. ;D

Even duct tape wouldn't hold those big mitres.... Gorrilla Glue.  That's it. ;D

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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2011, 04:30:26 PM »
A truly beautiful service, but I was taken back by those processing out of the altar, crossing in front of the Patriarch.  I was told, "Never cross between the altar table and the bishop."  

I agree, I can imagine what the Liturgy must have been like at Hagia Sophia in its prime.

I was also very surprised that everyone crossed in front of the Patriarch having received the same instruction never to cross between the altar table and the bishop, but given the length of the Cathedral the procession would have taken at least twice as long....
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2011, 05:08:14 PM »
AFAIR mitres have drawcords in the cloth padding so that they don't fall.

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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2011, 05:12:57 PM »
AFAIR mitres have drawcords in the cloth padding so that they don't fall.

My kamilavka & klobuk have those drawcords, also.  They really do work.
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2011, 05:13:47 PM »
Why do Russians love those enormous hats?

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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2011, 06:39:04 PM »
I love Russia, It's Churches and It's People ,They love Doing thing's on a grand scale.... ;D


Why do Russians love those enormous hats?
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2011, 08:22:36 PM »
Why do Russians love those enormous hats?

I don't know, maybe Russia is like the Texas of Eurasia, and everything has to be bigger there because the country is big.

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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2011, 02:24:22 PM »
With those dreary, difficult and severe Russian winters, it's no wonder the Russians have a fine appreciation for art... and doing things BIG!  If you think those mitres are big, you should see what they were like 100 years ago.  Even in the Catholic Church, hierarchs wore HUGE mitres.

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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2011, 02:39:33 PM »
With those dreary, difficult and severe Russian winters, it's no wonder the Russians have a fine appreciation for art... and doing things BIG!  If you think those mitres are big, you should see what they were like 100 years ago.  Even in the Catholic Church, hierarchs wore HUGE mitres.

Hat envy, perhaps?  ;)

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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2011, 03:35:45 PM »
The thing that annoys me the most about high-backed vestments is the way the back gets off center, if you will.  I'm a bit of a stickler for symmetry in many things, this being one of them.  It distracts me so much that I want to run up and fix the vestment for the priest, kind of like picking a white thread off the back of a dark blue sweater ;)

This is true. Just to look up and see that the cross on the back is just a hair to the right-of-center can be quite annoying! However, I have heard from one priest that the high-back is the more ancient tradition, as is true for many things in the Russian Church, which was cut off from the various reforms over time from the Greeks. This accounts for many of the changes between the two liturgical customs.


How after watching that could anyone even think of going to a service in a protestant church with a "praise band".
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I know, right!? I've went to a Protestant church a few times for friends, but I haven't regularly attended for over two years. I wonder what my thoughts would be?

I have a friend who I knew before becoming Orthodox, she and her husband are now inquiring at my parish (her husband's two brothers are recent converts here, as well). She went to visit friends last weekend and attended services with them at a Baptist church. She said it felt so shallow and empty. She's only been inquiring for a few months!
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Re: Pre-Sanctified Liturgy at Christ the Saviour in Moscow
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2011, 04:47:48 PM »
a beautiful service.  the face that the MP was serving only makes it more of something to watch  ;D