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UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX-CATHOLIC BILATERAL DIALOGUE
« on: March 14, 2011, 01:16:33 PM »
http://risu.org.ua/en/index/studios/materials_conferences/41159/

Whether or not we can get a worthy discussion going on this article, it is still something that we all need to read carefully...probably more than once.  I wish there were more priests like this one...everywhere!

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Re: UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX-CATHOLIC BILATERAL DIALOGUE
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2011, 02:07:13 PM »
http://risu.org.ua/en/index/studios/materials_conferences/41159/

Whether or not we can get a worthy discussion going on this article, it is still something that we all need to read carefully...probably more than once.  I wish there were more priests like this one...everywhere!

What an interesting and thought provoking article. I do need to carefully reread it and I do fear that your posting of this here will ignite some silly business. None the less, it was worth posting - not that I might agree with all of his argument but for the sake of honest, open conversation from which we both may learn and benefit.

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Re: UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX-CATHOLIC BILATERAL DIALOGUE
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2011, 02:18:43 PM »
http://risu.org.ua/en/index/studios/materials_conferences/41159/

Whether or not we can get a worthy discussion going on this article, it is still something that we all need to read carefully...probably more than once.  I wish there were more priests like this one...everywhere!

What an interesting and thought provoking article. I do need to carefully reread it and I do fear that your posting of this here will ignite some silly business. None the less, it was worth posting - not that I might agree with all of his argument but for the sake of honest, open conversation from which we both may learn and benefit.

Can't ask for more than that at this juncture.  Thanks for the positive vibe!!

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Re: UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX-CATHOLIC BILATERAL DIALOGUE
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2011, 08:10:56 PM »
I read the article pretty fast, but what I seem to understand pretty much is we should understand one another, condemn our dark past, move on with loving one another, and find what we have in common with one another.

I like dialogues.  I think it helps understand the position of the other better.  But I do feel it's time to push the envelope just a little and address the things that divide us.  I think many well-minded clergy that are involved in these dialogues are not polemical enough to cause a misrepresentation of the others' beliefs.  I feel there needs to be an umph of a challenge while maintaining the love so to speak.  I just hope that the challenge doesn't degenerate into past polemical jargon, which might be the risk, but I believe it's a risk worth taking.
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Re: UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX-CATHOLIC BILATERAL DIALOGUE
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 11:58:28 PM »
I read it pretty fast but it seems to contain the same old, repeated arguments.  The priest references the Balamand Agreement.  Obviously this priest has never read the Balamand statement or is blind to what is really contained in that document. It is a victory for papal hegemony and regards the unia as a path to unity which even His All Holiness, Ecumenical Patriarch Vartholomaios I has decried as unacceptable as a means to unity with the western schismatics. It's not worth the paper it's printed on and frankly all dialogues with the Catholics should start over from scratch...no exceptions and no wavering.
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Re: UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX-CATHOLIC BILATERAL DIALOGUE
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2011, 02:37:36 AM »
It won't come up for me, but I doubt I am missing anything.  I expect that the Vatican wants the Orthodox to let the UGCC do in Urkaine outside of Galicia that the Vatican won't let the UGCC do in Rome and Italy, celebrating what the Vatican has done in Galicia and West Ukraine in the meantime.

Kiev has a Latin bishop, and has had one for centuries. He doesn't answer to the UGCC.  The UGCC's major archbishop, so called "Patriarch," is not the ordinary of Kiev.  The Vatican and its Latin church doesn't recognize the jurisdiction of the UGCC, why should the Orthodox?
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