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Offline JimCBrooklyn

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Weird Question about praying the hours
« on: March 17, 2011, 07:10:42 AM »
So, I'm ne of these people who for whatever reason has chosen to spend an inordinate amount of time in school, and as such, years, a marriage, some jobs, and 2 kids later, I am still in school.  :'(

I have recently taken to trying to pray the hours, and I was curious for opinions:
Is there anything wrong with stepping out of class, quietly, to say, for instance, the 6th hour, or the midday prayers?
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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 08:53:05 AM »
i dont see why it would be wrong

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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 09:26:47 AM »
Muslims do it all the time.
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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 09:26:56 AM »
It's never wrong to pray....unless you do it to draw attention to yourself in order to appear more pious than others.

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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 09:35:49 AM »
Muslims do it all the time.

I work with Muslims, and they will physically leave meetings, labs, etc...to go and pray.  Midday Friday they all leave the building to go pray.

I have to give them credit for sticking to their faith...as misguided as it is.  They will fast for Ramadan, they will go and pray...and they are not embarrassed.

I wish more Christians had such strength of character.
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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 09:49:20 AM »
So, I'm ne of these people who for whatever reason has chosen to spend an inordinate amount of time in school, and as such, years, a marriage, some jobs, and 2 kids later, I am still in school.  :'(

I have recently taken to trying to pray the hours, and I was curious for opinions:
Is there anything wrong with stepping out of class, quietly, to say, for instance, the 6th hour, or the midday prayers?

In a few weeks, during Holy Week, we will pray Bridegroom Matins in the evening and Vesperal Liturgies in the mid-afternoon. I don't think it is crucial to pray the 6th hour at high noon.

Wait until after class, and don't draw attention to yourself. Matt. 6:5-6.

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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 01:05:19 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with it. The only thing is--if I remember correctly--each hour usually took me 9-10 minutes, which might be a significant chunk of time to miss a class (or not, depending on the class I suppose). Fwiw, it's common to group the hours (and the rest of the cycle of prayers/services) together, so there's no harm in not saying them at the technically-specified time. But like I said, nothing wrong with it if that's what works for you, IMO.

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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 07:26:21 PM »
Muslims do it all the time.

After telling my Muslim supervisors at work that Christians also had a fixed cycle of daily prayers, they all got very excited and would constantly ask me whether I needed to take a prayer-break. They also went out of their way to make sure I got the day off on feast days so that I could attend church  :)

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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2011, 04:30:46 PM »
I have a question about the Ladder of Divine Ascent. I know how to read it during the sixth hour, but I don't know where it goes during the third and ninth hours. And there's no prokeimenon to introduce it.

Can anyone give me a step-by-step?

Thanks!

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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2011, 07:55:48 PM »
Prayer closet and all that.

And if I were not teaching at a school full of American PC nonsense, I would fail a student who left class on regular basis for something that was not life threatening.

 
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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2011, 05:19:53 AM »
Prayer closet and all that.

And if I were not teaching at a school full of American PC nonsense, I would fail a student who left class on regular basis for something that was not life threatening.

 

This is basically why I posed the question.
To be clear, I wasn't at all proposing that I say "hey I'm gonna go say my prayers now, you know the Orthodox Christian ones, cuz I'm pious". I was talking more about hopping out quietly as if I were going to the bathroom, but your point here is what I was concerned about.
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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2011, 08:47:39 AM »
I would say it depends on the length of the class. IIRC, a typical high school class, for instance, was roughly 40-45 minutes long. Ten minutes is a significant part of the class to miss on a daily basis.

A better solution might be to pray during lunchtime. It may not be exactly at noon, but since the hours are spaced roughly every 3 hours, there is a window of time in which they can be properly said. Or if there is a study hall period in the day, that could be a good time.

I don't think there is anything wrong with leaving class to pray, I just question the wisdom of missing such a large chunk of time unnecessarily, if other times are available.

On the other hand, some schools have longer block periods, so it would be a smaller percentage of the class. Colleges may have 4+ hour classes, so it's less of a concern. It depends on the school's dynamics, I suppose.

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Re: Weird Question about praying the hours
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2011, 02:35:32 PM »
My classes are 1.5 hrs or 3 hrs
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