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Patron Saint
« on: March 16, 2011, 12:52:30 PM »
How do I develop a relationship with my new patron saint?

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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2011, 01:22:57 PM »
pray to him, read about his life and what he did.  if possible, consider making a trip to venerate his relics. 

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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2011, 11:05:50 PM »
My Saint's (Peter) relics are in Papal territory....  :(

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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2011, 11:13:18 PM »
My Saint's (Peter) relics are in Papal territory....  :(

would they still let you venerate them in an Orthodox manner?

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2011, 11:16:11 PM »
They wouldn't stop you the EP has venerated the Relics of St. Peter when he visited the Vatican.
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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2011, 11:18:00 PM »
They wouldn't stop you the EP has venerated the Relics of St. Peter when he visited the Vatican.
That's what I was wondering. How would they stop you? Drag you out of the church?
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 06:29:24 AM »
They would think that you are an Eastern Catholic.
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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 07:42:15 AM »
I have venerated the relics of many pre-schism saints in Italy. Occasionally someone has looked twice  :D but what you need to remember about Italy is the churches are visited by hordes of clueless tourists who do things much stranger than Orthodox veneration.

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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2011, 04:10:38 PM »
I didn't know there was a special way to venerate relics. How is it done?

Also I'm not sure where to go for St. Aidan of Lindisfarne... his bones were moved from Holy Island. Where are they?

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011, 06:21:46 PM »
I didn't know there was a special way to venerate relics. How is it done?

You kiss them.
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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2011, 06:29:47 PM »
Although I never venerated relics or icons like that as a child, I recalled some RCC family members (from the Philippines) who used to kiss statues, pictures and the other items on the house altar.

I don't know how strange that might be considered in some RCC churches...
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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2011, 03:54:11 PM »
I didn't know there was a special way to venerate relics. How is it done?

You kiss them.

Do you mean kiss the actual bones?

A lot of our british saints were buried during the reformation. what is the practice for interred saints?

[btw. I have found the troparion and kontakion for st. aidan, and have started to use them before his icon... ]

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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2011, 05:56:33 PM »
I didn't know there was a special way to venerate relics. How is it done?

You kiss them.

Do you mean kiss the actual bones?

A lot of our british saints were buried during the reformation. what is the practice for interred saints?

[btw. I have found the troparion and kontakion for st. aidan, and have started to use them before his icon... ]
for interred saints, you may venerate their coffin.  if underground, it's customary to take a rock from their grave as a relic, or perhapse kiss their tombstone?  useually saints in Orthodox countries are exhumed after being sainted.

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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2011, 06:06:16 PM »
Orthodox saints in most country's are exhumed after being sainted for example St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco.
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2011, 06:07:32 PM »
Orthodox saints in most country's are exhumed after being sainted for example St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco.

and the bodies of some saints are unknown to us for hundreds of years, only until they meraculiouslt reveal to us the location of their relics. 

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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2011, 06:12:03 PM »
Relics are usually kept in the reliquaries.
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2011, 06:45:44 PM »
Where are the relics of St. John of Damascus? I tried searching for them, but nothing...
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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2011, 09:57:34 PM »
I didn't know there was a special way to venerate relics. How is it done?

Also I'm not sure where to go for St. Aidan of Lindisfarne... his bones were moved from Holy Island. Where are they?
His relics were moved to Durham Cathedral in the 990s; St. Cuthbert  was also buried there. I'm sure the cathedral has been rebuilt at least a couple of times since then, so that might have to be taken into account, and hopefully both of their relics survived the Reformation... But I hope this helps.  ;D
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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2011, 04:19:45 AM »
I didn't know there was a special way to venerate relics. How is it done?

Also I'm not sure where to go for St. Aidan of Lindisfarne... his bones were moved from Holy Island. Where are they?
His relics were moved to Durham Cathedral in the 990s; St. Cuthbert  was also buried there. I'm sure the cathedral has been rebuilt at least a couple of times since then, so that might have to be taken into account, and hopefully both of their relics survived the Reformation... But I hope this helps.  ;D

According to an old pamphlet I have from Durham Cathedral it has all of the relics of St Cuthbert, the head of St Oswald and some of the relics of St Bede. It doesn't say anything about what eventually happened to St Aidan's remains.

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Re: Patron Saint
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2011, 04:47:50 PM »
Where are the relics of St. John of Damascus? I tried searching for them, but nothing...


I found this at: http://araborthodoxy.blogspot.com/2010/03/asad-rustum-on-st-john-of-damascus.html

"In the year of our Lord 749, our Saint gave up the spirit at the Holy Monastery of Saint Sabba and was buried in it. Between the end of the twelfth century and the beginning of the thirteenth, his relics were transferred to Constantinople and deposited in the Church of All Saints near the Church of the Holy Apostles. The Crusaders robbed these two churches from the relics deposited therein. Finally, the Turks destroyed the Church of All Saints in order to erect the Mosque of Sultan Mehmet II"

However I also found a tomb of St. John of Damascus (with a photo) here, at the Russian Mission in Jerusalem:

http://www.jerusalem-mission.org/photo_judean_desert.html

This article from the book "The Sabaite Heritage in the Orthodox Church from the 5th Century to the Present (page 21) that I found in Google Books mentions the tomb, which would fit in with the first article.

http://books.google.com/books?id=O4pj9YNdgJYC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=tomb+of+st+john+of+damascus&source=bl&ots=sQO0FMVorz&sig=aL8-_xF2GCl94MFVBCBmqr5Fzjs&hl=en&ei=G2WGTaf6IYq4sQORpOzvAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=tomb%20of%20st%20john%20of%20damascus&f=false

I found a RC site that mentions the relics having been transferred to Constantinople as well.  If the Crusaders had taken them I am sure some RC church would claim to have them.  It looks like they were most likely destroyed by the Turks.