Elijah
Member
 Offline
Faith: Orthodox Tewahedo
Posts: 384
God is love; be faithful un to death.
|
 |
« on: March 11, 2011, 02:56:06 PM » |
|
What do you think about having Children at this time and age?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Holy Mary, You are the ladder of life. St. Yared
My sons/daughters, come and I will teach you the fear of God. Christ is light.
He watches everything high; He is the king even over those in the water. Eyob 41:25
|
|
|
|
ialmisry
|
|
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 03:01:02 PM » |
|
my age, or the world's? In either case, yes.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
and both come out of your mouth
|
|
|
LizaSymonenko
Христос Воскрес!!! Christ is Risen!!!
Global Moderator
Toumarches
Offline
Faith: God's Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church
Jurisdiction: Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the U.S.A.
Posts: 7,827
|
|
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 03:13:58 PM » |
|
Well, since I am not married, having children is out of the question.  However, I understand your reservation of bringing new innocent life into this corrupt world. This world has never been "perfect", and corruption has always existed in some degree. Where would I be if my ancestors decided not to reproduce due to the hardships they were facing at the time. I simply wouldn't be. I am glad to be here. I wouldn't deny someone the chance of experiencing this life. |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: March 11, 2011, 03:14:26 PM by LizaSymonenko »
|
Logged
|
Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.
—St. Isaac of Syria
|
|
|
|
genesisone
|
|
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 05:48:53 PM » |
|
Psalm 126:3-5 (SAAS)
"Behold, children are the Lord's inheritance;
The fruit of the womb His reward.
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,
So are the children of those who were outcasts.
Blessed is the man who shall fulfill his desire with them;
They shall not be ashamed, when they speak to their enemies at the gate."
My wife and I stopped with two just over thirty years ago. We have wondered if that was the right choice. It would take a miracle of Biblical proportions to change that now! However, I am glad to have two grandchildren and one more on the way.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
CBGardner
Sr. Member
Offline
Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: OCA
Posts: 618
Ask w/ tears, seek w/ obedience, knock w/ patience
|
|
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 06:09:05 PM » |
|
Me personally, I don't think it is for me. I'm not a fan, however, of the argument that the world is too corrupt. Like LizaS says, the world is always corrupt and all the more reason to bring someone in who you can teach to be a trumpeter of the Lord.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Authentic zeal is not directed towards anything but union in Christ, or against anything but our own fallenness.
"Beardliness is next to Godliness."- Asteriktos
|
|
|
deusveritasest
Toumarches
Offline
Faith: None
Jurisdiction: None
Posts: 7,528
|
|
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 07:14:37 PM » |
|
I haven't really discerned yet whether I as an individual am even qualified to raise children. I'm rather skeptical of that prospect. If I ever do, however, I would be mostly inclined to adopt children rather than have any of my own given how many needy children already exist in the world. It seems kind of selfish to me to have one's own children at their expense.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I stopped posting here in August 2011 because of stark disagreement with the policies of the administration and moderating team of the forums. If you desire, feel free to PM me, message me on Facebook (link in profile), or email me: cddombrowski@gmail.com |
|
|
|
Asteriktos
|
|
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 07:20:58 PM » |
|
What do you think about having Children at this time and age?
Don't do it! |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." - Plutarch
|
|
|
JimCBrooklyn
Sr. Member
Offline
Faith: Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction: Moscow Patriarchate-Diocese of Saint Petersburg/ROCOR-Diocese of Eastern America and New York
Posts: 569
Если бога нет, то все позволено
|
|
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 07:23:49 PM » |
|
We have 2, and our 3rd is on the way, and I'm 26! They are wonderful, beautiful gifts to the world, and they humble us and make us much more determined in our faith.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
It is not the task of Christianity to provide easy answers to every question, but to make us progressively aware of a mystery. God is not so much the object of our knowledge as the cause of our wonder.
-Metropolitan Kallistos Ware
|
|
|
MJonsson
Newbie
Offline
Faith: Eastern Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Scandinavia
Posts: 10
|
|
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2011, 07:44:46 PM » |
|
Im all for children, i would love to have a child but as of yet we havent been blessed with a live one. I can understand the argument about there already being so many children that nead food, or a home, but not getting one yourself is probably something one would regret, not now but when its to late and its not possible any longer. The best way to help those children i think is to adopt, or help fund food and shelter.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Quinault
|
|
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 09:01:10 PM » |
|
We have 4 with a 5th expected next fall. The time is somewhat dark currently. The world always struggles with sin. If we were to stop having children because the world is evil then we wouldn't exactly be helping the situation. Children can help shape the future. That means have raising Godly children can actually turn the tide of sin/darkness. Or at least that is how I see it.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: March 11, 2011, 09:07:26 PM by Quinault »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Achronos
Miami's Theme Song (Spongebob): Who lives in Miami right by the sea? LeBron James! Absorbent and bald and selfish is he. LeBron James! If not being clutch be somethin' ya wish. LeBron James! Then drop on the floor and flop like a fish.
Site Supporter
Warned
Stratopedarches
Offline
Faith: Ethiopian Orthodox Taekwondo Church
Posts: 10,012
|
|
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2011, 07:02:45 AM » |
|
Having children is what stops me from becoming a monk.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
It would be helpful if you were born with an OFF switch.
|
|
|
|
synLeszka
|
|
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 08:34:05 AM » |
|
There is a man in Hungary called Erno Lukacs who is a billionaire, has been married for 45 years and has 20 children, 14 daughters and 6 sons, with one woman. He has worked all his life on his farm, his wife kept 16 cows while being pregnant. She had been pregnant for 25 years non-stop. He has built all of his children houses. Truly a self-made man. He had to fight with the social services, because he never accepted help from the government for his family.  Of course, a billionaire in Hungarian forints. That is about 5,100,000 US dollars according to today's exchange rate. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Elijah
Member
Offline
Faith: Orthodox Tewahedo
Posts: 384
God is love; be faithful un to death.
|
|
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2011, 10:22:34 AM » |
|
my age, or the world's? In either case, yes.
I meant to say 'these days'; I was thinking about 'adopting' children for married folks, that is. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Holy Mary, You are the ladder of life. St. Yared
My sons/daughters, come and I will teach you the fear of God. Christ is light.
He watches everything high; He is the king even over those in the water. Eyob 41:25
|
|
|
Marc1152
Hoplitarches
 Online
Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Rocor
Posts: 9,156
Let There Be Light
|
|
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2011, 10:58:07 AM » |
|
I was at a conference last week were the Key Note Speaker was Dr. Stephen Mosher who is a well respected demographer.
It is imperative that people in the advanced nations have more children. Europe, Japan and most notelably China are in trouble. They are no where near population replacement rates and we can look foward to their collapse.
For example, China has had a forced one child per family rule for a long time now. The result is an unsustainable social structure, There will be one male to support wife, family, his parents, her parents and both their grandparents.
So you can stop worrying about a rising China. They're done.... Same with Japan. No young people. And the math of the situation is that once you are on a downward slide of depopulation, it is very hard to turn around. The Japanese will need to start having five or six kids per family right away.. Not going to happen.
Russia is a little better off. Dr. Mosher is going to meet with Government officials there in a couple of months. They are considering allowing families who have babies to live tax free. He is also meeting with the Patriarch.
The USA is in decent shape. Predictions of our demise were premature.
The average age in Egypt is around 25. Keep a weather eye on the Moslems who have out babied us.
Here is his web page: http://www.pop.org/
Colourful metaphor removed and replaced. I know that the expression in question could have been worse, but please try to keep your language clean in the public fora. - Pravoslavbob, non-religious topics moderator.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 10:34:06 AM by Pravoslavbob »
|
Logged
|
\"Why were so many Civil War battles fought in National Parks? \"
|
|
|
Tallitot
OC.net guru
Offline
Faith: Jewish
Jurisdiction: United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Posts: 2,201
|
|
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2011, 11:33:12 AM » |
|
my age, or the world's? In either case, yes.
I meant to say 'these days'; I was thinking about 'adopting' children for married folks, that is. Nothing wrong with a married couple adopting a child who needs a home. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
If people cry at weddings...why don't they laugh at funerals?
|
|
|
|
IsmiLiora
|
|
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2011, 11:57:58 AM » |
|
We want to adopt, but either way, I am scared to death of bringing children into this world.
I guess every generation thought that, though.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
--
"For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
--
I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view --
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right
|
|
|
Tallitot
OC.net guru
Offline
Faith: Jewish
Jurisdiction: United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Posts: 2,201
|
|
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2011, 12:04:37 PM » |
|
We want to adopt, but either way, I am scared to death of bringing children into this world.
I guess every generation thought that, though.
But if you adopt, the child is already in this world. You'd just be giving them a chance to be something in this world. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
If people cry at weddings...why don't they laugh at funerals?
|
|
|
|
IsmiLiora
|
|
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2011, 02:14:37 PM » |
|
I agree. When I meant either way, I meant "whether we want to adopt or not."
We talked about it and plan to adopt one or two children in addition to the children we will have (we're still not sure about US vs other countries...I'm leaning toward the US since he used to work in the national pro-life movement, but we will be happy either way). Let God's will be done!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
--
"For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
--
I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view --
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right
|
|
|
|
Punch
|
|
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2011, 02:19:57 PM » |
|
I would enjoy helping make a few more of them, but since I have already raised three to adulthood, I think that I will refrain. I think that my wife appreciates that, too.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
God did not create man equal. Samuel Colt made man equal. Blessed be the Peacemaker.
|
|
|
Marc1152
Hoplitarches
Online
Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Rocor
Posts: 9,156
Let There Be Light
|
|
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM » |
|
I would enjoy helping make a few more of them, but since I have already raised three to adulthood, I think that I will refrain. I think that my wife appreciates that, too.
Tell your three to have five each. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
\"Why were so many Civil War battles fought in National Parks? \"
|
|
|
|
orthonorm
|
|
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2011, 04:44:11 PM » |
|
Keep having them. I love them all. It makes having you people around tolerable.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
We cannot legislate morality by passing laws controlling firearms. The only evil we can combat lies within our hearts. We need stronger laws to protect the moral foundation of society against the evil of gay marriage. |
|
|
Veniamin
Fire for Effect!
Global Moderator
Archon
Offline
Faith: Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction: OCA Diocese of the South
Posts: 3,372
St. Barbara, patroness of the Field Artillery
|
|
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2011, 04:46:23 PM » |
|
What do you think about having Children at this time and age?
Sounds painful; I'd better let my wife have them, instead.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. ~Frederick the Great
|
|
|
Marc1152
Hoplitarches
Online
Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Rocor
Posts: 9,156
Let There Be Light
|
|
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2011, 07:34:08 PM » |
|
What do you think about having Children at this time and age?
Sounds painful; I'd better let my wife have them, instead. News Flash: It's painful for her too. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
\"Why were so many Civil War battles fought in National Parks? \"
|
|
|
|
Asteriktos
|
|
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2011, 07:46:09 PM » |
|
What do you think about having Children at this time and age?
Sounds painful; I'd better let my wife have them, instead. News Flash: It's painful for her too. My wife felt no pain whatsoever...  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." - Plutarch
|
|
|
|
Quinault
|
|
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2011, 07:50:29 PM » |
|
^Eh, not painful enough to make me stop doing it (and I haven't ever had pain medications during deliveries). The idiom that it is akin to pushing a watermelon out your nostril is more than an overstatement. And women have a magical ability to "forget" how painful it was pretty soon after giving birth. I suppose this would be like a man forgetting how painful 7 star thai can be. The flavor makes the future pain worth it. The pain of delivery is eclipsed by the resulting child, sort of a reverse of the aforementioned thai situation, only WAY better.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: March 15, 2011, 07:52:05 PM by Quinault »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Agabus
The user formerly known as Agabus.
Elder
Online
Faith: Pan-American Colloquial Convert Hybrid Orthodoxy.
Jurisdiction: Forgive us our trespasses.
Posts: 1,319
|
|
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2011, 08:13:17 PM » |
|
We have 2, and our 3rd is on the way, and I'm 26! They are wonderful, beautiful gifts to the world, and they humble us and make us much more determined in our faith.
Wait, I didn't realize I had already posted here...   A lot of people assume that we will stop having children now, but -- while we don't have plans one way or the other -- that is unlikely. I do not think these times are any worse than the rest of history. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Blessed Nazarius practiced the ascetic life. His clothes were tattered. He wore his shoes without removing them for six years. Headscarves cover a multitude of sins.
|
|
|
yeshuaisiam
Archon
Offline
Faith: Orthodox, Anabaptist, Other Early Christianity kind of jumbled together
Posts: 2,719
The best things in life are not things.
|
|
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2011, 04:39:35 PM » |
|
I see children as a complete blessing and that's how God intended for it to be. I have 5 children.
I can't imagine life without any of them. They are fantastic and makes my wife and I feel the completeness of God's plan.
The world follows paths of Eugenics, and there is a lot of propaganda out there about kids being "too hard", "too expensive". etc.
They are not easy, but they are the most rewarding thing ever.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
