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« Reply #5220 on: July 10, 2014, 05:42:12 PM »

There are at least two unities in that image.  Just sayin'.  Tongue

You mean the separate EO and OO unities or something else?

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« Reply #5221 on: July 10, 2014, 05:47:12 PM »

I'm ignorant enough I can just enjoy the pictures (except for some of the icons, yeah).
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« Reply #5222 on: July 11, 2014, 12:27:41 PM »

Canterbury Cathedral. So beautiful, so breathtaking. I love the Western art, buildings, tradition, rituals, heck I even love the Western theology  Grin

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« Reply #5223 on: July 11, 2014, 12:33:43 PM »

Canterbury Cathedral. So beautiful, so breathtaking. I love the Western art, buildings, tradition, rituals, heck I even love the Western theology  Grin

Art and Theology like this?  Wink

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« Reply #5224 on: July 11, 2014, 12:38:27 PM »

Canterbury Cathedral. So beautiful, so breathtaking. I love the Western art, buildings, tradition, rituals, heck I even love the Western theology  Grin

Art and Theology like this?  Wink



The paint seems to describe Hell, right ? In case it does, yes, I've always imagined Hell to be something like that, it is scary but what is more scary than being separated from God and live your eternity with the Devil ?
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« Reply #5225 on: July 11, 2014, 12:48:06 PM »

It is a painting of the damned being cast into hell. I can't say I understand the emphasis of it in western theology.  Much better to focus on the goodness of God and union with him than trying to scare people out of hell IMHO.
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« Reply #5226 on: July 11, 2014, 12:59:59 PM »

It is a painting of the damned being cast into hell. I can't say I understand the emphasis of it in western theology.  Much better to focus on the goodness of God and union with him than trying to scare people out of hell IMHO.

Sure, we need to focus on God's love and goodness. To me, I don't follow Christ because I'm afraid of Hell or because I want Heaven, but because I love Him, I love Jesus Christ, I fell in love with Him and want to spend my life and eternity with Him. You can say like " I want to be with Him, in the good and the bad, in health and sickness...etc ".  But that doesn't mean Hell doesn't exist, God is God, and He means what He says, and when He said there is Hell, lake of fire...etc then He meant it.
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« Reply #5227 on: July 11, 2014, 01:04:28 PM »

It is a painting of the damned being cast into hell. I can't say I understand the emphasis of it in western theology.  Much better to focus on the goodness of God and union with him than trying to scare people out of hell IMHO.

Sure, we need to focus on God's love and goodness. To me, I don't follow Christ because I'm afraid of Hell or because I want Heaven, but because I love Him, I love Jesus Christ, I fell in love with Him and want to spend my life and eternity with Him. You can say like " I want to be with Him, in the good and the bad, in health and sickness...etc ".  But that doesn't mean Hell doesn't exist, God is God, and He means what He says, and when He said there is Hell, lake of fire...etc then He meant it.
I don't deny the existence, but I find the western preoccupation of it in their theology and art to be disturbing .
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« Reply #5228 on: July 11, 2014, 01:15:08 PM »

It is a painting of the damned being cast into hell. I can't say I understand the emphasis of it in western theology.  Much better to focus on the goodness of God and union with him than trying to scare people out of hell IMHO.

The Western ethos was often a shockingly misanthropic one.
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« Reply #5229 on: July 11, 2014, 01:25:56 PM »

Canterbury Cathedral. So beautiful, so breathtaking. I love the Western art, buildings, tradition, rituals, heck I even love the Western theology  Grin

Art and Theology like this?  Wink



I've seen a few Orthodox icons that are similar.
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« Reply #5230 on: July 12, 2014, 02:26:07 PM »

There are at least two unities in that image.  Just sayin'.  Tongue

You mean the separate EO and OO unities or something else?
Because he is a dirty miaphysite, I'm going to assume he's talking about the unity of a single, theanthropic nature.

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« Reply #5231 on: July 12, 2014, 03:48:33 PM »

Here is Orthodox Icon of Hell...


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« Reply #5232 on: July 12, 2014, 04:00:37 PM »

Look at all the priests!
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« Reply #5233 on: July 12, 2014, 04:01:51 PM »

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The depiction in these particular [Carpathian] icons, a depiction that may have developed from twelfth-century South Slavic depictions of different sinners and their punishments, is referred to by John-Paul Himka as "the new hell", "because sinners are being punished in a squarish area with torments, which did not appear in standard Byzantine iconography."
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« Reply #5234 on: July 12, 2014, 07:51:17 PM »

Canterbury Cathedral. So beautiful, so breathtaking. I love the Western art, buildings, tradition, rituals, heck I even love the Western theology  Grin

Art and Theology like this?  Wink



I actually do like art like this.
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« Reply #5235 on: July 12, 2014, 07:57:55 PM »

Canterbury Cathedral. So beautiful, so breathtaking. I love the Western art, buildings, tradition, rituals, heck I even love the Western theology  Grin

Art and Theology like this?  Wink



I actually do like art like this.

Why am I not surprised?  Wink
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« Reply #5236 on: July 12, 2014, 09:41:40 PM »

Look at all the priests!

Those are demons who tried, and failed, to snatch the priests souls in the tollhouses but all they got were those funny hats.
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« Reply #5237 on: July 12, 2014, 11:13:18 PM »

Look at all the priests!

Those are demons who tried, and failed, to snatch the priests souls in the tollhouses but all they got were those funny hats.

I know enough priests to be certain those are priests.  Tongue
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« Reply #5238 on: July 13, 2014, 07:19:28 AM »


Copts give Jesus the most luxurious hair I have ever seen.
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« Reply #5239 on: July 13, 2014, 12:13:05 PM »

Saint Peter square.

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« Reply #5240 on: July 13, 2014, 01:03:09 PM »


Copts give Jesus the most luxurious hair I have ever seen.

Yeah something tells me that icon isn't representative. Wink
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Copts give Jesus the most luxurious hair I have ever seen.

Ah yes, St. Mark's in DC area (really more like Fairfax, VA).  They're one of the biggest Coptic churches in the US.  Interestingly enough, the Christ in this icon, which is in the sanctuary, is completely different from the Christ in the iconostasis:



Makes me wonder if they had two different iconographers for their church.

The new Coptic iconographer that is getting a lot of fame these days (at least on the East Coast) is the one in St. Mary's in East Brunswick, another grand church in the US:



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« Reply #5242 on: July 13, 2014, 10:44:32 PM »

St. Mary's in East Brunswick, another grand church in the US

I love that church!
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« Reply #5243 on: July 13, 2014, 10:46:54 PM »

St. Mary's in East Brunswick, another grand church in the US

I love that church!

It is a beautiful church.  I used to serve there, but then the parish priests in Holmdel stole my heart.
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« Reply #5244 on: July 14, 2014, 07:23:30 AM »

Here is Orthodox Icon of Hell...




I was going to post this very icon as an example of Orthodox hell-iography (don't know the term if there is one).  From my travels, it appears that these "icons" are most common in rural and/or backwater towns.  In that respect perhaps one could conclude that the context is similar to that of "hell-fire n' brimstone" preaching in country-town evangelical communities.

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« Reply #5246 on: July 14, 2014, 09:34:58 PM »


Copts give Jesus the most luxurious hair I have ever seen.

Yeah something tells me that icon isn't representative. Wink
Looks like the hair we Western heretics give Him in our Sacred Heart paintings  Cheesy
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That. Is. Fantastic.
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« Reply #5249 on: July 15, 2014, 12:05:42 AM »

We need more Morquotes!

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« Reply #5250 on: July 15, 2014, 06:23:46 AM »

There are at least two unities in that image.  Just sayin'.  Tongue

You mean the separate EO and OO unities or something else?

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It just shows that for the branch of unionist ecumenism that believes in the falacy of union betwen Orthodoxy and Non-Chalcedonean, "Orthodoxy" is a synonim for "not-Western" only. They are philetists and nothing more.
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« Reply #5251 on: July 15, 2014, 09:26:06 AM »

St. Mary's in East Brunswick, another grand church in the US

I love that church!

I rather liked the original Icons at St. Mary's more. These seem like poor imitations of Western art.
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« Reply #5253 on: July 15, 2014, 09:30:49 AM »

St. Mary's in East Brunswick, another grand church in the US

I love that church!

I rather liked the original Icons at St. Mary's more. These seem like poor imitations of Western art.

It is indeed Western imitations, but I don't think they're poor imitations at that. I wish the website would provide more pics.  If I visit, I'll take some.
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It is a beautiful church.  I used to serve there, but then the parish priests in Holmdel stole my heart.

He's one of my best friends growing up which is why I drive an hour to go to St. Mina's on Sundays. We need to get together one of these days.
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« Reply #5255 on: July 15, 2014, 09:34:11 AM »

There are at least two unities in that image.  Just sayin'.  Tongue

You mean the separate EO and OO unities or something else?

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St. Mary's in East Brunswick, another grand church in the US

I love that church!

I rather liked the original Icons at St. Mary's more. These seem like poor imitations of Western art.

It is indeed Western imitations, but I don't think they're poor imitations at that. I wish the website would provide more pics.  If I visit, I'll take some.

Oh, I know St. Mary's very well, since before the Church was built. I'm not against Western Art. In fact. I love it. And am not a particular fan of the "neo-Coptic" Iconography either, but I'm not at all impressed with these works.
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There are at least two unities in that image.  Just sayin'.  Tongue

You mean the separate EO and OO unities or something else?

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« Reply #5258 on: July 15, 2014, 09:45:17 AM »

It is a beautiful church.  I used to serve there, but then the parish priests in Holmdel stole my heart.

He's one of my best friends growing up which is why I drive an hour to go to St. Mina's on Sundays. We need to get together one of these days.

You probably know who I am, but I do not know who you are lol (at least I can't connect the username to the face) Smiley
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You probably know who I am, but I do not know who you are lol (at least I can't connect the username to the face) Smiley

LOL, just look for the guy with a unicorn horn and 2 screaming children. I'll PM you.
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« Reply #5261 on: July 15, 2014, 02:18:47 PM »

Like a boss  Wink


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« Reply #5262 on: July 15, 2014, 02:20:48 PM »

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Well they do look like stock photo corporate bosses.
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« Reply #5263 on: July 15, 2014, 02:25:02 PM »

St. Mary's in East Brunswick, another grand church in the US

I love that church!

I rather liked the original Icons at St. Mary's more. These seem like poor imitations of Western art.

I disagree that they're badly done. That level of accomplishment has gotten pretty rare today.

They are, however, very White.
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Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity. --Climacus
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« Reply #5264 on: July 15, 2014, 03:07:52 PM »

I was able to find some old pics showing the old iconostasis of the same Church:







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