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Incarnation
« on: March 05, 2011, 08:11:50 AM »
Did the Incarnation first happen 14.5 billion years ago, at the Creation of the world?
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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2011, 10:17:19 AM »
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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 10:43:03 AM »
Allow me to rephrase the question: would it be Orthodox to say that Creation is the Body of God?
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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 11:51:22 PM »
Allow me to rephrase the question: would it be Orthodox to say that Creation is the Body of God?

No.
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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2011, 09:46:02 AM »
Allow me to rephrase the question: would it be Orthodox to say that Creation is the Body of God?

No.
If Jesus Christ had and has a physical (Created) body, and if Jesus Christ is God, then that would imply that Creation is the body of God.
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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2011, 11:02:32 AM »
If Jesus Christ had and has a physical (Created) body, and if Jesus Christ is God, then that would imply that Creation is the body of God.

If Jesus Christ incarnate is made of matter, and a Pop Tart is made of matter, then Jesus is a Pop Tart.

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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 12:45:03 PM »
If Jesus Christ had and has a physical (Created) body, and if Jesus Christ is God, then that would imply that Creation is the body of God.

If Jesus Christ incarnate is made of matter, and a Pop Tart is made of matter, then Jesus is a Pop Tart.
Or: a pop-tart (or the oceans, mountains, clouds) is not separate from Jesus.
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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 02:01:45 PM »
Allow me to rephrase the question: would it be Orthodox to say that Creation is the Body of God?

No.
If Jesus Christ had and has a physical (Created) body, and if Jesus Christ is God, then that would imply that Creation is the body of God.

Obviously you have it all figured out. No need to come around here and ask us what's up.
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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2011, 04:58:23 PM »
Or: a pop-tart (or the oceans, mountains, clouds) is not separate from Jesus.

Fine. In a certain sense Jesus is in a pop-tart. Also, the Holy Spirit is "everywhere present and filling all things", so you could technically say that a pop-tart is full of the Holy Spirit. I don't get what point you're trying to make here at all.

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Re: Incarnation
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 05:27:46 PM »
There is a difference between being present in something or someone and being present as something or someone.

God is present in everything, but only present as Jesus Christ in His incarnation and the Eucharist.
And FWIW, these are our Fathers too, you know.

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