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Offline Tikhon.of.Colorado

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Hello, all.  I have a couple of questions about monastics. 

I was reading a book about an athonite monk, and he said that the devil tempts new monastics with memories of family and friends in the world, which he should try and forget, as he's a new man.  BUT, I know a couple of monastics who regularily go and spent time with their family and friends. 

what is the norm for monastics reguarding family and friends?

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Re: do Orthodox monastics welcome or shun family & friends after vows?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2011, 01:01:45 AM »
Hello, all.  I have a couple of questions about monastics. 

I was reading a book about an athonite monk, and he said that the devil tempts new monastics with memories of family and friends in the world, which he should try and forget, as he's a new man.  BUT, I know a couple of monastics who regularily go and spent time with their family and friends. 

what is the norm for monastics reguarding family and friends?

It depends on the individual monastic and how healthy their relationship is.  A family that is unfriendly to monasticism (and might be willing to kidnap the monastic to try to "deprogram" him or her) might not receive much contact.  But most of the monastics I have known love to talk to and spend time with their blood families.
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Re: do Orthodox monastics welcome or shun family & friends after vows?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2011, 02:57:51 AM »
The ancient model was total renunciation. These are softer times.

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Re: do Orthodox monastics welcome or shun family & friends after vows?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 03:27:00 AM »
The ancient model was total renunciation. These are softer times.

A lot of monastics nowadays seem to like Facebook.  It lets them keep up with their family and friends, without having to have time-consuming back-and-forth communication to get the same information.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 05:36:03 AM »
The ancient model was total renunciation. These are softer times.

The ancient model still exists. There's some Finnish monk on Mt. Athos. A former friend of his from the World tried to contact and meet him when he visited there. The monk in question refused.
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Re: do Orthodox monastics welcome or shun family & friends after vows?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2011, 09:05:33 AM »
The ancient model was total renunciation. These are softer times.

A lot of monastics nowadays seem to like Facebook.  It lets them keep up with their family and friends, without having to have time-consuming back-and-forth communication to get the same information.

wow, that's suprising.  I guess they don't make themm like they used too  ;)  .  I really wish there was a book of the everyday life of the 21st century monk.  I read books about monks on Mt. Athos and Valaam, but it seems monasticism has changed a bit. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 12:48:20 PM »
The ancient model was total renunciation. These are softer times.

The ancient model still exists. There's some Finnish monk on Mt. Athos. A former friend of his from the World tried to contact and meet him when he visited there. The monk in question refused.

There's also a monk there who surfs the web from his solar-powered laptop!  I can't remember his name, but I remember he's known for writing a psychological analysis of the Philokalia.
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Re: do Orthodox monastics welcome or shun family & friends after vows?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 04:49:06 PM »
It seems to vary.

I know several monastics online (there are a few that contribute here!), but others don't at all.

I know Fr. Seraphim, igumen at Holy Cross Monastery (ROCOR) in West Virginia does NOT approve of the brotherhood using the internet at all. He touches himself only because he has to (coordinating with monastery guests and such through email).
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011, 04:57:24 PM »
Well, you won't be seeing me all next week. 

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Have a profitable 1st week of Great Lent.  I think I'm going to try and stay away all of Great Lent.
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Re: do Orthodox monastics welcome or shun family & friends after vows?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011, 04:57:57 PM »
It seems to vary.

I know several monastics online (there are a few that contribute here!), but others don't at all.

I know Fr. Seraphim, igumen at Holy Cross Monastery (ROCOR) in West Virginia does NOT approve of the brotherhood using the internet at all. He touches himself only because he has to (coordinating with monastery guests and such through email).

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Re: do Orthodox monastics welcome or shun family & friends after vows?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2011, 05:05:18 PM »
What's it actually supposed to say?
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011, 05:13:15 PM »
What's it actually supposed to say?

"touches it [the "internet] himself"?
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2011, 05:19:58 PM »
What's it actually supposed to say?

"touches it [the "internet] himself"?

That's what I was going for.

You pervert.  :P
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Re: do Orthodox monastics welcome or shun family & friends after vows?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2011, 08:03:03 PM »
What's it actually supposed to say?

"touches it [the "internet] himself"?

That's what I was going for.

You pervert.  :P

And yet you still made me get that Divinyls song stuck in my head.    :D
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