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I found this link on another forum and I wanted to pass it along. Thanks to Ray from Lansford, PA. "Here is a really cool video of the consecration of Holy Chrism by Patriarch Kyril of Russia. It is the whole rite including the mixing of the ingredients. Most people don't get to see this ceremony. Watch how he lights the fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZxPlri938 " |
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2011, 01:18:13 PM » |
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I found this link on another forum and I wanted to pass it along. Thanks to Ray from Lansford, PA. "Here is a really cool video of the consecration of Holy Chrism by Patriarch Kyril of Russia. It is the whole rite including the mixing of the ingredients. Most people don't get to see this ceremony. Watch how he lights the fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZxPlri938 " IIRC, Constantinople just consecrated theirs (ours?). Is this done a common year? I know that Constantinople, Russia, Serbia, Romania and the OCA consecrate their own chrism. Who else does? And those who don't, from whom do they get theirs? |
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2011, 01:25:31 PM » |
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We get from Constantinople or Russia (it varies).
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2011, 03:24:53 PM » |
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I know that Constantinople, Russia, Serbia, Romania and the OCA consecrate their own chrism. Who else does? Bulgaria also consecrates its own chrism. |
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2011, 03:27:30 PM » |
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Isn't consecrating your own chrism one of the signs and privileges of being autocephalous?
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2011, 03:55:13 PM » |
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Isn't consecrating your own chrism one of the signs and privileges of being autocephalous?
LOL. That's been discussed before http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,20504.0.htmlGet his chrism from the EP? How is he autocephalous then? Getting myrrh has nothing to do with Autocephaly; yes, non-Autocephalous churches cannot get their myrrh from outside their Church/Patriarchate, and Autocephalous churches can consecrate their own, but it's not a definition of whether one is or is not autocephalous, which has to do (as with most things of Church governance) with hierarchs (election, deposition, etc.). Technically speaking, any bishop can bless Chrism, but that has become a perogative of the primate of the Church, per Apostolic Canon 36, the same reasoning that links the bishops into a syonod that elects, deposes etc. bishops and elects primates. During the early centuries of Christianity, a firm tradition existed in the Church in which the Holy Chrism was sanctified only by the bishops of the Church and not by the presbyters (priests). At that time, there were no distinctions among bishops, that is among bishops of dioceses and metropolitanate bishops of greater church districts. As the years passed, however, the common right of all bishops was eventually transferred to the bishops of churches with greater status, that is, to the Patriarchs, and finally to the Ecumenical Patriarch, who today is able to transmit this right to the heads of local Orthodox churches. In other words, even though each bishop has the right to sanctify the Holy Chrism by his status as bishop, he is not permitted by canon law to do so. It appears that there are three reasons that restrict the right of sanctifying the Holy Chrism to the Ecumenical Patriarch. These reasons include: a) the scarcity of the materials and the difficulty for each bishop to prepare the Holy Chrism, b) the constant increase of dependence of the diocese on the head of the greater church and district, and c) the special position that the Ecumenical Patriarchate received through the centuries in relation to the other patriarchates of the East and that expresses the spiritual bond between the Church of Constantinople and the local churches of the people who received the Christian faith from its missionaries.
In reality, this exclusive right to sanctify the Holy Chrism of the Ecumenical Patriarchate does not mean that local churches are dependent and subordinate to Constantinople. This act of receiving the Holy Chrism from the Ecumenical Patriarchate is a tangible and visible sign of the amity and bond of local churches, patriarchates, and autocephalous churches with the Ecumenical Patriarchate.† It is a necessary sign, not a sign of superiority of the Ecumenical Patriarchate in the Orthodox Church, but an existing visible sign of unity among the cluster of local Orthodox churches. Nevertheless, in the Orthodox Church, the Holy Chrism, in addition to being sanctified in the Ecumenical Patriarchate, is sanctified in the contemporary patriarchates of Moscow, Belgrade, and Bucharest.
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith8420This restriction to the EP is an innovation. |
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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2011, 04:48:16 PM » |
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This discussion was certainly predictable. lol  I just posted it because I thought the video was interesting and few, if any, of us ever saw such a service. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 05:40:27 AM » |
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Thanks for sharing this. I found it very interesting. In XC, Deacon Philip This discussion was certainly predictable. lol I just posted it because I thought the video was interesting and few, if any, of us ever saw such a service. |
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