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Offline orthonorm

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Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« on: February 27, 2011, 11:33:02 PM »
I've had an eventful last four days or so. I might post about a few of the things in detail, but as I might be terribly busy for the next few days, I wanted to pass this news along.

My Priest and I were to meet prior to Nativity to discuss ostensibly my becoming catechumen. Due to difficulties for both of us, we had to keep tabling the discussion.

We met this week. And I wasn't sure what the timeline would be, but we talked for a bit and went over some questions regarding the Liturgy and he said let's do it next Sunday.

He asked if I had a sponsor in mind (and I did) but I asked him to choose someone who he thought would be a "good fit" and he mentioned the man I had in mind.

Not that everyone reads my posts and commits them to memory as they should, but while this is certainly something I know is right and want, it also a bit frightening to me.

So everyone please pray for me.

I now am trying to see if the rural Baptist church I was baptized in has any record of it.

Thanks to everyone at OC.net for your infos, forbearance, time and effort you put in here. It certainly has been of help along the way.

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2011, 11:41:07 PM »
Many years!
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 11:45:59 PM »
Congrats!

What exactly is a sponsor?
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2011, 11:50:40 PM »
Congrats!

What exactly is a sponsor?

a godparent.

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 12:09:20 AM »
Congratulations! 

Many years!!

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 12:20:46 AM »
That's great!

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 01:11:17 AM »
Congratulations!!

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 02:28:53 AM »
God grant you many years.

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 04:41:36 AM »
I have read your post and committed it to memory.
Fortunately we still pray for the catechumens at our Liturgies, so you will be remembered!
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 05:13:36 AM »
Lord, have mercy!

I now am trying to see if the rural Baptist church I was baptized in has any record of it.

Why this is necessary?
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2011, 09:20:48 AM »
Many years!
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2011, 10:02:32 AM »
Lord, have mercy!

I now am trying to see if the rural Baptist church I was baptized in has any record of it.

Why this is necessary?

Some jurisdictions will accept a convert by chrismation if they can provide proof of baptism and affirm that it was done using a Trinitarian formula.

I had a lot of fun tracking down any record of my baptism: the Baptist church I had been baptized in had been closed for almost two decades. 
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2011, 10:11:25 AM »
God grant you many years!

And Lord, have mercy. May He be guidance and strength as you enroll into the catechumenate and begin struggling through this Great and Holy Lent.
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2011, 10:13:09 AM »
Congratulations! God grant you many years!

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2011, 10:18:58 AM »
Many years!

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2011, 07:29:08 PM »
When my husband needed his baptismal certificate just before his Holy Chrismation, we found that the Catholic Church had failed to duly record it. However, they had provided us with a certificate when the Baptism/Confirmation had occurred. So, to get an updated certificate, I had to verify that I witnessed the event as both his godparents were deceased.
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2011, 07:53:58 PM »
Many years!
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2011, 10:26:17 PM »
Congratulations and good luck in your journey.  May you see the light of illumination as we journey together to our Lord's Pascha!
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2011, 10:52:59 PM »
May the Lord bless you with strength, wisdom, compassion, and humility as you undertake this trip.  Many years!
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2011, 11:19:59 PM »
Wait, I heard that Metropolitan Jonah said that all former Protestants had to be baptized regardless. Did I miss something?
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 11:34:59 PM »
Wait, I heard that Metropolitan Jonah said that all former Protestants had to be baptized regardless. Did I miss something?

You are kidding? Right?
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2011, 11:50:06 PM »
No. I seriously heard this somewhere.
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2011, 12:04:23 AM »
No. I seriously heard this somewhere.

I was baptized Baptist and received into the OCA by chrismation this past oct. I would not expect the process in which Orthonorm is sacramentally received into the Church to be any different than my experience, provided he is able to get a copy of his baptism certificate and proof that it was a trinitarian baptism.
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2011, 12:33:33 AM »
Wait, I heard that Metropolitan Jonah said that all former Protestants had to be baptized regardless. Did I miss something?

You are kidding? Right?

Clearly not as practiced by the Priest at my parish, others Priests I have had contact with, and Fr. Thomas Hopko in particular.

If it is done in a Trinitarian manner, then it is considered "valid" in some manner within the Church according to the OCA Priests I had spoken with or heard speak on the matter. My Priest said he will have to speak to the Bishop-Elect in particular on this matter to see if he agrees with this practice.

Clearly there is disagreement on this matter and I from what I have read and heard, and like in most disputes in these issues, there are very valid points on all sides. But in practice I really don't "care". I will just do what I am asked. It's a relief these things are not up to me.

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2011, 03:23:32 AM »
Lord, have mercy!

I now am trying to see if the rural Baptist church I was baptized in has any record of it.

Why this is necessary?

Some jurisdictions will accept a convert by chrismation if they can provide proof of baptism and affirm that it was done using a Trinitarian formula.

I had a lot of fun tracking down any record of my baptism: the Baptist church I had been baptized in had been closed for almost two decades. 

I was only chrismated and nobody asked me of any proof of baptism. I wonder why American churches demand some proof.
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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2011, 11:22:19 AM »

I was only chrismated and nobody asked me of any proof of baptism. I wonder why American churches demand some proof.
Since the American - really other western countries with mixed ethnic and religious heritage, like Canada, Australia, etc. - religious scene is so chaotic, some people really don't know if they've been baptized or not ("I'm not sure if my parents had me baptized/christened" is not terribly uncommon.) Also, the proof might be needed to affirm that the baptism was trinitarian. That is not always certain. I remember seeing a list somewhere of denominations whose baptisms could be expected to be trinitarian, those whose baptisms may or not have been trinitarian, and those whose baptisms almost certainly were not.

When I was chrismated, my word was acceptable proof, as I was coming from a denomination that was well-known by my priest.

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Re: Becoming a Catechumen next Sunday
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2011, 11:28:10 AM »
A "witness" would also suffice. But most of my family is dead other than my younger brother who was too young at the time to be taken seriously. I know it was Trinitarian; it is a memory rather etched in my mind although I was young when it happened. Whether single dunk or triple, could've been either.

My Priest assured me (I didn't need) it is not because he didn't trust me, but it would good to know how it was done, too avoid "re-baptism" and to avoid "un-baptism" (the latter is my silly word).
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