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Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« on: December 15, 2012, 11:56:06 PM »
I was reading the Gospel of St. John last night and I was on chapter 6--the part where Jesus is discussing the Eucharist. Anyhow, I noticed John 6:66, which says "From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. " and the passage was referring to when people left Him behind because they could not understand the Mystery of the Eucharist. Does the legendary "666" of Revelation refer to this passage in John--to this apostating because you cannot understand the Eucharist? If so, does this mean that Protestants who do not accept the literal presence of the Eucharist and reject the Orthodox Church because of it are bearing the mark of the beast?
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2012, 12:00:01 AM »
No. Verse numbers were added much later.

Besides, all the cool kids go with 616. Satan is sneaky like that!
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2012, 12:00:48 AM »
No. Verse numbers were added much later.

Besides, all the cool kids go with 616. Satan is sneaky like that!

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the 616 only appears in a single document. I could be wrong though.
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2012, 12:02:09 AM »
I was reading the Gospel of St. John last night and I was on chapter 6--the part where Jesus is discussing the Eucharist. Anyhow, I noticed John 6:66, which says "From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. " and the passage was referring to when people left Him behind because they could not understand the Mystery of the Eucharist. Does the legendary "666" of Revelation refer to this passage in John--to this apostating because you cannot understand the Eucharist? If so, does this mean that Protestants who do not accept the literal presence of the Eucharist and reject the Orthodox Church because of it are bearing the mark of the beast?
Dude, I think you're reading way too much into the Gospel in your effort to conjure up yet another irrational reason to bash Protestants. Give it a rest already.
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2012, 12:04:36 AM »
No. Verse numbers were added much later.

But isn't that part of the prophecy? ;)

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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2012, 12:07:19 AM »
Well now that you put it that way...  ;D
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2012, 02:56:26 AM »
No one knows what the mark will be, until it happens.

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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2012, 03:12:31 AM »
I was reading the Gospel of St. John last night and I was on chapter 6--the part where Jesus is discussing the Eucharist. Anyhow, I noticed John 6:66, which says "From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. " and the passage was referring to when people left Him behind because they could not understand the Mystery of the Eucharist. Does the legendary "666" of Revelation refer to this passage in John--to this apostating because you cannot understand the Eucharist? If so, does this mean that Protestants who do not accept the literal presence of the Eucharist and reject the Orthodox Church because of it are bearing the mark of the beast?
Dude, I think you're reading way too much into the Gospel in your effort to conjure up yet another irrational reason to bash Protestants. Give it a rest already.

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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2012, 03:26:12 AM »
For all we know, James, the verse could be about you.
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2012, 03:32:49 AM »
No. Verse numbers were added much later.

This.

I hear Da Vinci found a code in there or something, though, James. Might want to check that out.  ;)
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2012, 10:30:15 AM »
I was reading the Gospel of St. John last night and I was on chapter 6--the part where Jesus is discussing the Eucharist. Anyhow, I noticed John 6:66, which says "From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. " and the passage was referring to when people left Him behind because they could not understand the Mystery of the Eucharist. Does the legendary "666" of Revelation refer to this passage in John--to this apostating because you cannot understand the Eucharist? If so, does this mean that Protestants who do not accept the literal presence of the Eucharist and reject the Orthodox Church because of it are bearing the mark of the beast?

Hi James, latecomer here. I agree that John 6:66 is a significant verse about the Eucharist; but do you have any argument for the chapter/verse number referring to the "666" of the beast?

BTW, wouldn't it be true to say that Protestants who do not accept the literal presence of the Eucharist reject the CatholicChurch because of it, much more often than rejecting the Orthodox Church because of it?
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 02:03:05 AM »
BTW, wouldn't it be true to say that Protestants who do not accept the literal presence of the Eucharist reject the CatholicChurch because of it, much more often than rejecting the Orthodox Church because of it?

If that's the case, it's most likely only because they don't really know what the Orthodox Church is. And they don't know the difference between the Real Presence and transubstantiation, so if they hear that the Orthodox don't accept transubstantiation, they're likely to think that means the Orthodox share something like their doctrine of the Lord's Supper.
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 02:58:16 AM »
BTW, wouldn't it be true to say that Protestants who do not accept the literal presence of the Eucharist reject the CatholicChurch because of it, much more often than rejecting the Orthodox Church because of it?

If that's the case, it's most likely only because they don't really know what the Orthodox Church is. And they don't know the difference between the Real Presence and transubstantiation, so if they hear that the Orthodox don't accept transubstantiation, they're likely to think that means the Orthodox share something like their doctrine of the Lord's Supper.
Actually, the Roman doctrine of transubstantiation is really just a more scholastic way of explaining the Real Presence; other than that, the teachings are the same, that the consecrated bread and wine of Communion are in truth the Body and Blood of Christ. According to most of the literature I've read, the Protestant rejection of transubstantiation is at its heart a rejection of the Real Presence, since it's based on the belief that the bread and wine are mere symbols.
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2012, 03:39:24 AM »
BTW, wouldn't it be true to say that Protestants who do not accept the literal presence of the Eucharist reject the CatholicChurch because of it, much more often than rejecting the Orthodox Church because of it?

If that's the case, it's most likely only because they don't really know what the Orthodox Church is. And they don't know the difference between the Real Presence and transubstantiation, so if they hear that the Orthodox don't accept transubstantiation, they're likely to think that means the Orthodox share something like their doctrine of the Lord's Supper.
Actually, the Roman doctrine of transubstantiation is really just a more scholastic way of explaining the Real Presence; other than that, the teachings are the same, that the consecrated bread and wine of Communion are in truth the Body and Blood of Christ. According to most of the literature I've read, the Protestant rejection of transubstantiation is at its heart a rejection of the Real Presence, since it's based on the belief that the bread and wine are mere symbols.

Er...I don't think you're disagreeing with me. My point is that most Protestants don't understand the distinction between transubstantiation as a scholastic explanation of the Real Presence and the doctrine of the Real Presence simpliciter, and therefore, if they hear that we don't teach the former, they will (wrongly) assume we also reject the latter.
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Re: Is the Mark of the Beast a Rejection of the Eucharist?
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2012, 08:07:18 AM »
Er...I don't think you're disagreeing with me.

True, he doesn't seem to be contradicting you're point; but then ;) I also don't believe that you're contradicting my point.

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