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« on: February 27, 2011, 04:27:17 PM »

What will happen to the milk from the cows if we fast? Will we just throw it away? Someone will have to milk the cows even if we don't use milk ourselves.
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2011, 04:32:32 PM »


Wow!  Good point.

As my milk comes from the corner store, I never had to deal with that issue.  I never thought about the cow. 

However, not everyone fasts.  Give it to them.

Children certainly can have milk, as can the old and frail (per their priest's instruction).

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 04:57:04 PM »

Make cheese for your Pascha basket!
And in the Northern hemisphere at least, Spring is calfing season- let the little ones drink their fill!
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2011, 05:03:00 PM »

And let's not forget the cow babies!! They get first shot!  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2011, 05:35:09 PM »


Wow!  Good point.

As my milk comes from the corner store, I never had to deal with that issue.  I never thought about the cow. 

However, not everyone fasts.  Give it to them.

Children certainly can have milk, as can the old and frail (per their priest's instruction).


so give milk to other people instead of just being egoistic and talking all the milk. We who doesn't need milk should give it to the poor so our fast will become charity.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 05:48:01 PM »


Wow!  Good point.

As my milk comes from the corner store, I never had to deal with that issue.  I never thought about the cow. 

However, not everyone fasts.  Give it to them.

Children certainly can have milk, as can the old and frail (per their priest's instruction).


so give milk to other people instead of just being egoistic and talking all the milk. We who doesn't need milk should give it to the poor so our fast will become charity.

This is generally the rule - charity is generally a huge focus during fasting.  I thought you were joking with the way the question was framed.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2011, 06:01:10 PM »


Wow!  Good point.

As my milk comes from the corner store, I never had to deal with that issue.  I never thought about the cow. 

However, not everyone fasts.  Give it to them.

Children certainly can have milk, as can the old and frail (per their priest's instruction).


so give milk to other people instead of just being egoistic and talking all the milk. We who doesn't need milk should give it to the poor so our fast will become charity.

This is generally the rule - charity is generally a huge focus during fasting.  I thought you were joking with the way the question was framed.
i'm not joking. i want to be a great oriental christian who fast and pray to God. but you can laugh if you like. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2011, 06:09:21 PM »

I think the reason some thought it was a joke was because here in the United States most people don't have their own cows.  We buy our milk in a grocery store.

Do you have your own cows?  If so, then giving the milk away would be a very charitable thing to do, and perfectly consistent with the spirituality of Lent.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2011, 06:26:21 PM »

I think the reason some thought it was a joke was because here in the United States most people don't have their own cows.  We buy our milk in a grocery store.

Do you have your own cows?  If so, then giving the milk away would be a very charitable thing to do, and perfectly consistent with the spirituality of Lent.
I don't have cows but you can give money to the poor or in other ways help them get their milk.
but the vegans say that it is better for cows to not live than to live bad lives at the farms so we shouldn't use milk at all. then we may stop killing of cows. is this what orthodox beleives?
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2011, 06:41:30 PM »

Well, I don't think we believe that being a vegan is necessary; however, I do know we believe in the humane treatment of animals.  I think this was discussed somewhere here, but I can't recall where.
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2011, 06:52:54 PM »

What will happen to the milk from the cows if we fast? Will we just throw it away? Someone will have to milk the cows even if we don't use milk ourselves.

The Jewish Tradition is to give away all foods not Kosher for the Passover to Non-Jewish neighbors or the needy.

We can do the same.
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2011, 07:40:02 PM »

I think that giving away the milk that you don't need is a good idea, especially during Lent, but I can understand how it would be difficult to distribute it to those in need. You might find a soup kitchen that is interested, or some needy families living in your area who would need the help this Lenten season.

My grandparents lived on a farm in Romania, where everyone fasted during Lent so they weren't able give the milk away. They just made lots of cheese and butter during the Spring with the extra milk that the calves didn't get  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2011, 07:46:55 PM »

I think that giving away the milk that you don't need is a good idea, especially during Lent, but I can understand how it would be difficult to distribute it to those in need. You might find a soup kitchen that is interested, or some needy families living in your area who would need the help this Lenten season.

My grandparents lived on a farm in Romania, where everyone fasted during Lent so they weren't able give the milk away. They just made lots of cheese and butter during the Spring with the extra milk that the calves didn't get  Smiley

I was thinking of all the non-Lenten foods. Give away meat and candy etc... Spam is a nice gift for the neighbors,

Spam site: http://www.spam.com/recipes/default.aspx

Well.. I'm off to gorge on ribs till i make myself sick...... 

My everyone have a blessed and beneficial Fast.

Here we go !



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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2011, 07:50:50 PM »

I think that giving away the milk that you don't need is a good idea, especially during Lent, but I can understand how it would be difficult to distribute it to those in need. You might find a soup kitchen that is interested, or some needy families living in your area who would need the help this Lenten season.

My grandparents lived on a farm in Romania, where everyone fasted during Lent so they weren't able give the milk away. They just made lots of cheese and butter during the Spring with the extra milk that the calves didn't get  Smiley
would be a big problem if all people in the world would fast. i have to get a spiritual father and ask him about it.

btw, when is orthodox great lent 2011? there seem to be different answers on the internet with different dates.
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2011, 07:53:18 PM »

It starts on Monday, March 7.  In the Catholic Church, it starts on Wednesday, March 9.
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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2011, 07:57:39 PM »

would be a big problem if all people in the world would fast. i have to get a spiritual father and ask him about it.

That's an interesting thought. I'm not sure it could be a problem, the entire world believing in and serving God...sounds quite heavenly. If this were to happen, I'm sure God would help us take care of the milk problem  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2011, 04:45:13 AM »

It starts on Monday, March 7.  In the Catholic Church, it starts on Wednesday, March 9.
http://www.copticchurch.net/classes/coptic.holidays.php?year=2011&submit.x=21&submit.y=6
according to this website coptic great lent begins on February 28, 2011. ?
btw, the catholic church is made up of 23 churches and many of then follow the easter/oeriental calendar.
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2011, 05:58:19 AM »

Yes, Great Lent has begun for those of us in the Coptic Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2011, 07:02:37 AM »

I don't know if it's ok to ask here, but what are the rules for Oriental Orthodox fasting?
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2011, 07:05:40 AM »

In the Coptic Church the general rule is vegan diet and the fast not broken before 3pm. Many will fast until the evening depending on the counsel of one's spiritual father.
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 07:09:48 AM »

In the Coptic Church the general rule is vegan diet and the fast not broken before 3pm. Many will fast until the evening depending on the counsel of one's spiritual father.

By fast you mean no food whatsoever?
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2011, 07:16:07 AM »

Yes, the general rule is no food until 3pm or later.

That is a general rule of course.

His Holiness Pope Shenouda's book - The Spirituality of Fasting - is very helpful.
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2011, 07:55:58 AM »

Thank you for the information!
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 08:37:35 AM »

You can read the book online here...

http://tasbeha.org/content/hh_books/fasting/index.html

and at other places.

It is very, very worthwhile to spend the time reading. It will take no more than a couple of hours at most.

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