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Crime and Punishment - Dostoyevsky
My wife's favourite. She eventually wore me down into giving it a go (I gave up arguing after finding out Kafka was a fan) and I loved it. It's really hard to follow who everyone is until you get your head around the patronymics, though. For some reason if you alternate between referring to someone by their surname and their father's first name according to no pattern I can discern it completely confuses my ageing brain. James OK, the truth is I only made it half way through it. I found certain parts very profound, but most of it I thought was unnecessarily laborious. It would take fifty pages to get to something that was actually philosophical or thought provoking. The story of the horse that was beaten to death was very powerful. And there were some great quotes here and there. But too much wasted in between. I made it half way through because the good parts were great. But the good parts were too sparse and the tedious parts too long. And I really hated to give up on it, because it's not a book you can put aside for a while and then pick back up. Too many characters and names to remember. I was disappointed, because I absolutely loved every page of The Brothers Karamazov. Selam |
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Oooh, an Orthodox book I've actually read!
I've really been enjoying it. In fact, when I'm done with it (probably tonight) I'm gonna reread it so I can do a book review of it (I didn't take notes the first time through).  Some Finns consider archbishop Paul to be a Saint. There are some stories him glowing with uncreated light and appearing after his death. He's not canonized though and I don't think he will be either in the near future. |
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I agree with Gebre on C&P, it unnecessarily dragged on way too long after the murder. It got really boring.
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« Reply #2613 on: October 16, 2012, 03:02:09 PM » |
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Regarding Dostoevsky, I had the exact opposite reaction. I loved Crime and Punishment, but found The Brothers K unbearably dull. Even when I read just the excerpt of the Grand Inquisitor section I found it boring.
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« Reply #2615 on: October 16, 2012, 09:12:00 PM » |
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Flying through Everyday Saints by Archimandrite Tikhon Shevkunov. An amazing book, hard to put down.
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« Reply #2616 on: October 16, 2012, 09:15:05 PM » |
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Reading catechism material (church history and how the structure were built up from year 30-350).
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Regarding Dostoevsky, I had the exact opposite reaction. I loved Crime and Punishment, but found The Brothers K unbearably dull. Even when I read just the excerpt of the Grand Inquisitor section I found it boring.
That's very surprising. I think the Bros K is exhaustive in everything Dost wanted to say, and although it sprawls a bit, I felt the direction was better than C&P Speaking of that, it was really exciting in the beginning with the murder, the build up was fantastic and what happened directly after that was a page turner...but then it turned into this drawn out, goes nowhere until near the end. I loved the scene of the horse getting beat to death, but I had to force myself to get through the rest of the book. |
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« Reply #2618 on: October 16, 2012, 09:38:05 PM » |
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"Between Madness and Death" A Hispanic Orthodox History by Joseph Suaiden
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However there is this quote: “Nothing is admitted,” Razumihin interrupted with heat. “I am not wrong. I’ll show you their pamphlets. Everything with them is ‘the influence of environment,’ and nothing else. Their favourite phrase! From which it follows that, if society is normally organised, all crime will cease at once, since there will be nothing to protest against and all men will become righteous in one instant. Human nature is not taken into account, it is excluded, it’s not supposed to exist! They don’t recognise that humanity, developing by a historical living process, will become at last a normal society, but they believe that a social system that has come out of some mathematical brain is going to organise all humanity at once and make it just and sinless in an instant, quicker than any living process! That’s why they instinctively dislike history, ‘nothing but ugliness and stupidity in it,’ and they explain it all as stupidity! That’s why they so dislike the living process of life; they don’t and a living soul! The living soul demands life, the soul won’t obey the rules of mechanics, the soul is an object of suspicion, the soul is retrograde! But what they want though it smells of death and can be made of india-rubber, at least is not alive, has no will, is servile and won’t revolt! And it comes in the end to their reducing everything to the building of walls and the planning of rooms and passages in a phalanstery! The phalanstery is ready, indeed, but your human nature is not ready for the phalanstery—it wants life, it hasn’t completed its vital process, it’s too soon for the graveyard! You can’t skip over nature by logic. Logic presupposes three possibilities, but there are millions! Cut away a million, and reduce it all to the question of comfort! That’s the easiest solution of the problem! It’s seductively clear and you mustn’t think about it. That’s the great thing, you mustn’t think! The whole secret of life in two pages of print!” http://www.bartleby.com/318/35.htmlC&P |
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Homosexuality in the Orthodox Church, an anthology compiled by Justin Cannon. $8 on Kindle.
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« Reply #2621 on: October 18, 2012, 02:12:59 PM » |
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« Reply #2622 on: October 18, 2012, 02:20:01 PM » |
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Metaphysics - Aristotle
Commentary on Metaphysics - St. Thomas Aquinas
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« Reply #2623 on: October 18, 2012, 02:35:00 PM » |
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Hey Papist, are you aware of a book of an Orthodox author going through Aquinas' work? I was just curious if there was such a thing.
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Hey Papist, are you aware of a book of an Orthodox author going through Aquinas' work? I was just curious if there was such a thing.
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Hey Papist, are you aware of a book of an Orthodox author going through Aquinas' work? I was just curious if there was such a thing.
You might be interested in this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=37982.0Ignore the knee-jerk anti-"Western" ravings from the usual suspects. |
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« Reply #2627 on: October 18, 2012, 03:08:33 PM » |
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Hey Papist, are you aware of a book of an Orthodox author going through Aquinas' work? I was just curious if there was such a thing.
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« Reply #2630 on: October 18, 2012, 03:23:19 PM » |
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Hey Papist, are you aware of a book of an Orthodox author going through Aquinas' work? I was just curious if there was such a thing.
From what I understand, during the 20th century there were quite a few Eastern Orthodox theologians who were quite critical of Aquinas. But I don't know of any specific works. There is definitely a knee-jerk condemnation of anything "scholastic", the same tendency that bemoans a "Western captivity" and throws a tantrum when an icon has a vanishing point; basically, we're so mystical and spooky and therefore have no need for organizing our theology in a systematic way. This is a polemically fabricated "Eastern Orthodoxy" that is not representative of the full tradition of the Church. In the time of Aquinas and the centuries that followed such an attitude was not to be found. |
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I have just finished "Too Much Magic" by James Howard Kunstler and I'm currently reading Fr. John Meyendorff's book, "The Byzantine Legacy in the Orthodox Church".
I'm debating what to start after Fr. John's book. I recently bought Church History by Eusebius and On the Divine Images by St. John of Damascus. Or I could move to another non-Orthodox work.
The current books on my shelf that I have yet to read:
Tom Clancy's Red Rabbit
Star Wars The Old Republic: Deceived by Paul S. Kemp
Star Wars Red Harvest by Joe Schreiber
The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Grand Inquisitor by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The City in the Greek & Roman World by E.J. Owens
Beyond Oil by Kenneth S. Deffeyes
Medieval Russia 980-1584 by Janet Martin
Celtic Christianity by Timothy Joyce
A Short History of Byzantium by John Julius Norwich
1453: The Holy War for Constantinople and the clash of Islam and the West by Roger Crowley
Russia and the Russians by Geoffrey Hosking
History of Urban Form before the Industrial Revolution by A.E.J. Morris
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« Reply #2632 on: October 18, 2012, 05:04:43 PM » |
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Fwiw, of the books I've read in that list, Church History by Eusebius was the one I found most interesting.
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I will also say that I've read far more now that I've graduated than I did in college. Here is a list of the books I've read since May (graduation):
The Long Emergency by James Howard Kunstler
Too Much Magic by James Howard Kunstler
Russia and the Golden Horde by Charles Halperin
A Better Place to Live by Philip Langdon
The Geography of Nowhere by James Howard Kunstler
Lost to the West by Lars Brownworth
The Fall of Constantinople: 1453 by Steven Runciman
Oh and I should also add For the Life of the World by Fr. Alexander Schmemann to my "To Read" list.
I'm also reading (periodically because I have to read it closely) The Spiritual Life by St Theophan the Recluse.
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Fwiw, of the books I've read in that list, Church History by Eusebius was the one I found most interesting.
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I've never been non-religious but for me an idea of being non-religious arouses some kind of feeling of anguish, emptiness and purposelessness. What should I read if I wanted to read something related to that kind of theme? Sarte? Camus? Hemingway?
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In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
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HP Lovecraft LOL. I like Lovecraft but I'm looking for something little different. Maybe something little more this wordly and little less mythic. Another one I almost forgot about- Les Chants de Maldoror by Lautreamont. It's completely unique and mindbending. |
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Human Image: World Image: The Death and Resurrection of Sacred Cosmology, by Philip Sherrard
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« Reply #2649 on: October 21, 2012, 10:43:27 PM » |
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In the time of Aquinas and the centuries that followed such an attitude was not to be found. Really? All of the books about the period that I have read have said to the contrary. Aquinas was translated into Greek and a number of Eastern theologians liked him but they were looked down on for it. Many of these same types that liked Aquinas joined the Latin Church soon after the Council of Florence. |
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How shall I not weep when I think of death? For I have seen my brother in his coffin, without glory or comeliness. What, then, do I expect? And what do I hope for? Only grant me, O Lord, repentance before the end.
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« Reply #2650 on: October 22, 2012, 11:43:03 AM » |
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In the time of Aquinas and the centuries that followed such an attitude was not to be found. Really? All of the books about the period that I have read have said to the contrary. Aquinas was translated into Greek and a number of Eastern theologians liked him but they were looked down on for it. Many of these same types that liked Aquinas joined the Latin Church soon after the Council of Florence. St. Gennadius Scholarius, a firm opponent of the union and disciple of St. Mark Eugenikos, was one of the chief advocates for the usefulness of Aquinas. |
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"A Poet a Painter a Musician an Architect: the Man Or Woman who is not one of these is not a Christian." - William Blake
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« Reply #2651 on: October 22, 2012, 12:16:49 PM » |
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In the time of Aquinas and the centuries that followed such an attitude was not to be found. Really? All of the books about the period that I have read have said to the contrary. Aquinas was translated into Greek and a number of Eastern theologians liked him but they were looked down on for it. Many of these same types that liked Aquinas joined the Latin Church soon after the Council of Florence. St. Gennadius Scholarius, a firm opponent of the union and disciple of St. Mark Eugenikos, was one of the chief advocates for the usefulness of Aquinas. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't St. Gennadius pro-Union at the time of Florence? Do any of his pro-Aquinas sentiments come from writings after his "conversion" to anti-unionism? |
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Note : Many of my posts (especially the ones antedating late 2012) do not reflect charity, tact, or even views I presently hold. Please forgive me for any antagonism I have caused.
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« Reply #2652 on: October 22, 2012, 12:24:48 PM » |
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In the time of Aquinas and the centuries that followed such an attitude was not to be found. Really? All of the books about the period that I have read have said to the contrary. Aquinas was translated into Greek and a number of Eastern theologians liked him but they were looked down on for it. Many of these same types that liked Aquinas joined the Latin Church soon after the Council of Florence. St. Gennadius Scholarius, a firm opponent of the union and disciple of St. Mark Eugenikos, was one of the chief advocates for the usefulness of Aquinas. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't St. Gennadius pro-Union at the time of Florence? Do any of his pro-Aquinas sentiments come from writings after his "conversion" to the anti-unionism? He continued to translate and praise Aquinas well into his retirement. Here's a worthwhile article: http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/a-latins-lamentation-over-gennadios-scholarios/ |
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"A Poet a Painter a Musician an Architect: the Man Or Woman who is not one of these is not a Christian." - William Blake
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« Reply #2653 on: October 22, 2012, 01:11:13 PM » |
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I wonder whether there are any canonized Saints who have bought this Western Captivity and anti-Western hype?
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Just a little reminder: this forum is not called OrthodoxChristianityUSA.net |
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« Reply #2654 on: October 22, 2012, 06:50:31 PM » |
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Maximus Confessor: Selected Writings
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