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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5805 on: July 22, 2018, 01:38:00 PM »


Re-reading.  Actually, just skimming through to get to the good parts.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5806 on: July 23, 2018, 10:53:22 AM »
^ yeah the part of the book I couldn't stand was the author's autobiography. Like who cares.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5807 on: July 23, 2018, 10:55:59 AM »
Roots of Christian Mysticism by Olivier Clement
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5808 on: July 23, 2018, 10:56:05 AM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5809 on: July 23, 2018, 11:03:51 AM »
^ yeah the part of the book I couldn't stand was the author's autobiography. Like who cares.

I don't care about any of his commentary.  The first time I read it, I disliked it.  The only parts that are worth it are what Father "Maximos" has to say.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5810 on: July 23, 2018, 08:38:04 PM »
Not much. I can't concentrate, because the Keppra I have to take makes me sleep four hours at a go.

I did try to start "Elfsorrow."
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5811 on: July 29, 2018, 12:09:17 AM »
Did an Irish Monk "Discover" America?

https://www.history.com/news/did-an-irish-monk-discover-america

Has anyone every heard of this theory before?

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5812 on: July 29, 2018, 01:11:30 AM »
Not much. I can't concentrate, because the Keppra I have to take makes me sleep four hours at a go.

I did try to start "Elfsorrow."

My disability puts a huge damper in my reading. I send you commiserations and hope you have better days.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5813 on: July 29, 2018, 10:22:50 AM »
Did an Irish Monk "Discover" America?

https://www.history.com/news/did-an-irish-monk-discover-america

Has anyone every heard of this theory before?

Yes.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5814 on: July 29, 2018, 11:34:54 AM »
Reading "The Possessed" by Dostoevsky which is pretty much prophetic of the Russian Revolution and the transitionary period to the modern world. Finished "The Idiot", which is also great and has an excellent Christ-like archetype character (Prince Myshkin) and offers many interesting polemic outbursts like:

It is an unchristian religion, in the first place!' the prince resumed in great agitation and with excessive sharpness. 'That's in the first place, and secondly, Roman Catholicism is even worse than atheism - that's my opinion. Yes, that's my opinion! Atheism merely preaches a negation, but Catholicism goes further: it preaches a distorted Christ, a Christ calumniated and defamed by it, the opposite of Christ! It preaches Antichrist - I swear it does, I assure you it does! This is my personal opinion, an opinion I've held for a long time, and it has worried me a lot myself. ... Roman Catholicism believes that the Church cannot exist on earth without universal temporal power, and cries: Non possumus! In my opinion, Roman Catholicism isn't even a religion, but most decidedly a continuation of the Holy Roman Empire, and everything in it is subordinated to that idea, beginning with faith. The Pope seized the earth, an earthly throne and took up the sword; and since then everything has gone on in the same way, except that they've added lies, fraud, deceit, fanaticism, superstition wickedness. They have trifled with the most sacred, truthful, innocent, ardent feelings of the people, have bartered it all for money, for base temporal power. And isn't this the teaching of Antichrist? Isn't it clear that atheism had to come from them? And it did come from them, from Roman Catholicism itself! Atheism originated first of all with them: how could they believe in themselves? It gained ground because of abhorrence of them; it is the child of their lies and their spiritual impotence! Atheism! In our country it is only the upper classes who do not believe, as Mr Radomsky so splendidly put it the other day, for they have lost their roots. But in Europe vast numbers of the common people are beginning to lose their faith - at first from darkness and lies, and now from fanaticism, hatred of the Church and Christianity!

Good book. Still doesn't beat the Brothers Karamazov.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5815 on: July 29, 2018, 03:01:29 PM »
Charles Montgomery, The Last Heathen: Encounters with Ghosts and Ancestors in Melanesia, 2004.

"In 1892, the Bishop of Tasmania set sail for Melanesia with the intent of rescuing islanders from lives of fear, black magic and cannibalism. Over 100 years later, his great grandson, Charles Montgomery, followed the bishop's route through the South Pacific, seeking out the spirits and myths his missionary forebear had sought to destroy."
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5816 on: July 29, 2018, 03:06:48 PM »
Did an Irish Monk "Discover" America?

https://www.history.com/news/did-an-irish-monk-discover-america

Has anyone every heard of this theory before?

Yes.
What do you think about it?

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5817 on: July 29, 2018, 04:48:17 PM »
Reading "The Possessed" by Dostoevsky which is pretty much prophetic of the Russian Revolution and the transitionary period to the modern world. Finished "The Idiot", which is also great and has an excellent Christ-like archetype character (Prince Myshkin) and offers many interesting polemic outbursts like:

It is an unchristian religion, in the first place!' the prince resumed in great agitation and with excessive sharpness. 'That's in the first place, and secondly, Roman Catholicism is even worse than atheism - that's my opinion. Yes, that's my opinion! Atheism merely preaches a negation, but Catholicism goes further: it preaches a distorted Christ, a Christ calumniated and defamed by it, the opposite of Christ! It preaches Antichrist - I swear it does, I assure you it does! This is my personal opinion, an opinion I've held for a long time, and it has worried me a lot myself. ... Roman Catholicism believes that the Church cannot exist on earth without universal temporal power, and cries: Non possumus! In my opinion, Roman Catholicism isn't even a religion, but most decidedly a continuation of the Holy Roman Empire, and everything in it is subordinated to that idea, beginning with faith. The Pope seized the earth, an earthly throne and took up the sword; and since then everything has gone on in the same way, except that they've added lies, fraud, deceit, fanaticism, superstition wickedness. They have trifled with the most sacred, truthful, innocent, ardent feelings of the people, have bartered it all for money, for base temporal power. And isn't this the teaching of Antichrist? Isn't it clear that atheism had to come from them? And it did come from them, from Roman Catholicism itself! Atheism originated first of all with them: how could they believe in themselves? It gained ground because of abhorrence of them; it is the child of their lies and their spiritual impotence! Atheism! In our country it is only the upper classes who do not believe, as Mr Radomsky so splendidly put it the other day, for they have lost their roots. But in Europe vast numbers of the common people are beginning to lose their faith - at first from darkness and lies, and now from fanaticism, hatred of the Church and Christianity!

Good book. Still doesn't beat the Brothers Karamazov.

Drivel.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5818 on: July 29, 2018, 05:00:44 PM »
Did an Irish Monk "Discover" America?

https://www.history.com/news/did-an-irish-monk-discover-america

Has anyone every heard of this theory before?

Yes.
What do you think about it?

It's in the realm of possibility.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5819 on: July 29, 2018, 05:42:14 PM »
Stephen King's The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5820 on: July 29, 2018, 06:11:04 PM »
Just finished Death on the Nile / Agatha Christie.  Toward the end, I could not put it down.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5821 on: July 29, 2018, 09:56:22 PM »
Reading "The Possessed" by Dostoevsky which is pretty much prophetic of the Russian Revolution and the transitionary period to the modern world. Finished "The Idiot", which is also great and has an excellent Christ-like archetype character (Prince Myshkin) and offers many interesting polemic outbursts like:

It is an unchristian religion, in the first place!' the prince resumed in great agitation and with excessive sharpness. 'That's in the first place, and secondly, Roman Catholicism is even worse than atheism - that's my opinion. Yes, that's my opinion! Atheism merely preaches a negation, but Catholicism goes further: it preaches a distorted Christ, a Christ calumniated and defamed by it, the opposite of Christ! It preaches Antichrist - I swear it does, I assure you it does! This is my personal opinion, an opinion I've held for a long time, and it has worried me a lot myself. ... Roman Catholicism believes that the Church cannot exist on earth without universal temporal power, and cries: Non possumus! In my opinion, Roman Catholicism isn't even a religion, but most decidedly a continuation of the Holy Roman Empire, and everything in it is subordinated to that idea, beginning with faith. The Pope seized the earth, an earthly throne and took up the sword; and since then everything has gone on in the same way, except that they've added lies, fraud, deceit, fanaticism, superstition wickedness. They have trifled with the most sacred, truthful, innocent, ardent feelings of the people, have bartered it all for money, for base temporal power. And isn't this the teaching of Antichrist? Isn't it clear that atheism had to come from them? And it did come from them, from Roman Catholicism itself! Atheism originated first of all with them: how could they believe in themselves? It gained ground because of abhorrence of them; it is the child of their lies and their spiritual impotence! Atheism! In our country it is only the upper classes who do not believe, as Mr Radomsky so splendidly put it the other day, for they have lost their roots. But in Europe vast numbers of the common people are beginning to lose their faith - at first from darkness and lies, and now from fanaticism, hatred of the Church and Christianity!

Good book. Still doesn't beat the Brothers Karamazov.

Drivel.

Yes, I'm sure one of the greatest Russian authors writes drivel. I didn't say it was wholly fantastic and correct - after all, it is an epileptic's polemic - I just said it was interesting, which it is.

After all, isn't it the Church Father's teaching that heresy teaches a distorted Christ? All we see that is fluff is the anti western opinions that Dostoevsky puts in due to his slavophile associations.


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“There is much suffering,
But the church is alive. "

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5822 on: July 29, 2018, 11:16:50 PM »

Yes, I'm sure one of the greatest Russian authors writes drivel.

Even the greats have off days.*



*Written with the full acknowledgement that I have not read the work in question.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5823 on: July 30, 2018, 01:15:23 AM »
Who cares where he was from?

Yes, you pretty much did recommend it, or you wouldn't have quoted it.

It's drivel.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5824 on: July 30, 2018, 06:25:28 AM »
Who cares where he was from?

Yes, you pretty much did recommend it, or you wouldn't have quoted it.

It's drivel.

My parents are not the Antichrist.

It's high-selling book and Briven enjoyed it, therefore by your standards it is good.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5825 on: July 30, 2018, 07:46:41 AM »
Who cares where he was from?

Yes, you pretty much did recommend it, or you wouldn't have quoted it.

It's drivel.

My parents are not the Antichrist.

Biro, I didn't say that and nor did Dostoevsky. One of his characters with slavophilic opinions said that the Roman Catholic Church could be compared to the Antichrist. No need to apply a strawman to me.

Dostoevsky certainly isn't drivel, he is widely sold and widely considered by critics and laypeople as an excellent author.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5826 on: July 30, 2018, 01:46:45 PM »
Who cares where he was from?

Yes, you pretty much did recommend it, or you wouldn't have quoted it.

It's drivel.

My parents are not the Antichrist.

Dostoevsky wrote a book about your parents?  Yo, how old are they?!

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5827 on: July 30, 2018, 02:10:58 PM »
Who cares where he was from?

Yes, you pretty much did recommend it, or you wouldn't have quoted it.

It's drivel.

My parents are not the Antichrist.

It's high-selling book and Briven enjoyed it, therefore by your standards it is good.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5828 on: July 30, 2018, 02:19:06 PM »
What is Dostoevsky's worst book and why? Or rather your least favorite of his?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5829 on: July 30, 2018, 02:28:01 PM »
What is Dostoevsky's worst book and why?

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5830 on: July 30, 2018, 02:52:58 PM »
What is Dostoevsky's worst book and why? Or rather your least favorite of his?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5831 on: July 30, 2018, 03:02:17 PM »
What is Dostoevsky's worst book and why? Or rather your least favorite of his?

 I found Crime and Punishment kind of dull and it didn't really make me cry at the end, the strange metric by which I measure my favorite books. It was entertaining but Raskolnikov was so unlikeable.
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« Reply #5833 on: July 30, 2018, 09:25:27 PM »
What is Dostoevsky's worst book and why? Or rather your least favorite of his?

The Brothers Karamazov

The quintessential Dostoevsky--interesting insights interspersed with heavy-handed philosophy/theology, sensationalized psychological states, obnoxious (and usually hypocritical) moralizing, and many very long and boring passages.

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« Reply #5834 on: July 30, 2018, 09:35:37 PM »

That's odd, I just got the same book at HPB last week...
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« Reply #5835 on: July 30, 2018, 09:45:53 PM »
What is Dostoevsky's worst book and why? Or rather your least favorite of his?

The Brothers Karamazov

The quintessential Dostoevsky--interesting insights interspersed with heavy-handed philosophy/theology, sensationalized psychological states, obnoxious (and usually hypocritical) moralizing, and many very long and boring passages.

IOW, this forum.

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« Reply #5836 on: July 30, 2018, 09:46:21 PM »

That's odd, I just got the same book at HPB last week...

HPB?

Hope you like it... so far, I have.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5837 on: July 30, 2018, 09:47:20 PM »
What is Dostoevsky's worst book and why? Or rather your least favorite of his?

The Brothers Karamazov

The quintessential Dostoevsky--interesting insights interspersed with heavy-handed philosophy/theology, sensationalized psychological states, obnoxious (and usually hypocritical) moralizing, and many very long and boring passages.

IOW, this forum.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5838 on: July 30, 2018, 10:00:57 PM »
Who cares where he was from?

Yes, you pretty much did recommend it, or you wouldn't have quoted it.

It's drivel.

My parents are not the Antichrist.

It's high-selling book and Briven enjoyed it, therefore by your standards it is good.

Not true.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5839 on: July 31, 2018, 11:32:29 PM »
IOW, this forum.
Are you implying your participation in the foundation of OCnet was actually just an experiment involving the application of Dostoevskian polyphonic discourse into internet language? Nice.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5840 on: August 01, 2018, 09:42:49 AM »
HPB?

Hope you like it... so far, I have.

Half-Priced Books. And yeah I'm enjoying it.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5841 on: August 02, 2018, 02:51:58 PM »
I find it curious that in "The Arena", St. Ignatius first descriptions of when monks/bishops sin come from sexual temptations. He never begins with pride, or sloth, or greed, etc. I wonder if that's because how easily a monk can slip into lust vs. other sins.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5842 on: August 02, 2018, 08:53:20 PM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5843 on: August 02, 2018, 11:58:59 PM »
I recently read a story in the Lives of the Saints where a monk fell in love with a beautiful woman and then beat himself to death with a large stone as an act of "repentance." Stories like this really disturb me. First of all, it seems to portray women as the greatest source of temptation and evil. Secondly, beating oneself to death is an act of suicide, which is undisputedly condemned by the Church. I don't like to question writings of Church tradition, but I confess that I am bothered by stories such as this.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5844 on: August 03, 2018, 11:09:15 AM »
I recently read a story in the Lives of the Saints where a monk fell in love with a beautiful woman and then beat himself to death with a large stone as an act of "repentance." Stories like this really disturb me. First of all, it seems to portray women as the greatest source of temptation and evil. Secondly, beating oneself to death is an act of suicide, which is undisputedly condemned by the Church. I don't like to question writings of Church tradition, but I confess that I am bothered by stories such as this.

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Where can I read this story?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5846 on: August 03, 2018, 05:11:09 PM »
I've read, quite recently translated into Polish "Cassandra's Path, or Adventures with Macaroni" (Russian original "Путь Кассандры, или Приключения с макаронами") by Julia Voznesenskaya. Interesting plot and vision of the last days of this world. It gives a lot food for thought - about the seeds of various sins and world catastrophe.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5847 on: August 04, 2018, 03:10:16 PM »


It's about a girl who grews up in a Finnish Communist family back in the days when Communism was still a thing and people actually believed in it with all the ardour and naivete. Super nostalgic even for me despite the fact that my family was fairly apolitical.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5848 on: August 04, 2018, 05:54:26 PM »
I am the Antichrist LOL just kidding
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5849 on: August 04, 2018, 09:00:56 PM »
I am the Antichrist LOL just kidding

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