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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5535 on: November 16, 2017, 12:52:42 PM »
I find the Lattimore translation to be roughly just-ok. I guess +1 to the already long list of times I've been oblivious to good art   8)
It's more of my preference in daily reading the Gospels as long flowing narratives, instead of it broken up by chapter/verse. For serious study I'll get some other translations. But for daily use these paragraph style Bibles are excellent.

One of my favorite things about the Lattimore is how he lets the individual voices shine through.

I used to have a copy of Lattomire's NT bundled with three other less mainstream translations. It fell apart (the pages literally separated from the spine; it was a really terrible binding job) and I didn't bother to look for it again since it had just come to me through circumstance in the first place. I'm kind of wishing I had now.

Are you talking about the paperback one with the black cover? Yeah the binding is garbage lol.

What were the other 3 less mainstream translations?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5536 on: November 16, 2017, 12:58:56 PM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5537 on: November 16, 2017, 02:39:29 PM »
Porter I need your help please. Is Robert Alter's single volume of Genesis the same translation found in his Five Books of Moses?

Yes, naturally it's the same, as his The David Story is the same translation of the books of the Kings as in Ancient Israel: the Former Propehts. The different editions available is just an artifact of the publishing process: at times, as his work became ready, the publisher would release single volumes, but then later release the larger, more comprehensive volumes as originally planned. You'll also find some different covers and bindings available for some books.

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Also, since you agree with me that Lattimore's NT and Alter's translations are excellent do you have any other recommendations?

Seriously Lattimore's is a treasure, it's like reading the Scriptures with fresh eyes. The Gospels are so much clearer if that makes sense.

I mentioned E.V. Rieu's Gospels, better than Lattimore if that were possible. However, he's been out of print for years. As the work has passed into the public domain in the U.S., I'm thinking of typing up a digital, free version and I can then link it here with administrative permission.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5538 on: November 16, 2017, 02:55:18 PM »
Yes, naturally it's the same, as his The David Story is the same translation of the books of the Kings as in Ancient Israel: the Former Propehts. The different editions available is just an artifact of the publishing process: at times, as his work became ready, the publisher would release single volumes, but then later release the larger, more comprehensive volumes as originally planned. You'll also find some different covers and bindings available for some books.
Great, thank you.

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I mentioned E.V. Rieu's Gospels, better than Lattimore if that were possible. However, he's been out of print for years. As the work has passed into the public domain in the U.S., I'm thinking of typing up a digital, free version and I can then link it here with administrative permission.
I'd be glad to compensate you via PayPal for the time it would take to type it up. Let me know.

Appreciate you responding.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5539 on: November 16, 2017, 03:22:05 PM »
What were the other 3 less mainstream translations?

I misspoke earlier. I did have the Lattimore translation (I remembered it because at the time I got it I lived on Lattimore Plantation Drive), but the specific four-translation volume I was thinking of had the KJV, the NASB, William Beck's NT and Charles Williams' NT. Beck's translation eventually morphed into the "God's Word" Bible.

So now is the question of where the missing Lattimore Bible is. There are only so many places 140 miles apart that it could be.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5540 on: November 17, 2017, 03:08:16 PM »
Iconodule, I found the entire Christ the Eternal Tao online:

https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/christ-the-eternal-tao/

Includes all the pictures from the book. The pictures of Christ's life used, for example here: https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/christ-the-eternal-tao/3_84 , can I call that iconography? I love them. Any other Chinese iconography in color like this?

Fascinating bit on "nothingness", but I don't have the time to read this book fully yet.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5541 on: November 17, 2017, 03:18:54 PM »
Iconodule, I found the entire Christ the Eternal Tao online:

Whoever edited and formatted this thing needs to get sacked and never work again, unless they actually learn how to do it. Properly done (i.e. without each endnote on a separate page and a duplicate index), the file would have been about half as long.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5542 on: November 17, 2017, 04:15:13 PM »
footnotes > endnotes
How this relates to the coming Antichrist? I don't know...

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« Reply #5543 on: November 17, 2017, 05:08:46 PM »
footnotes > endnotes

Search the scriptures, and you will find this is true.
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« Reply #5544 on: November 17, 2017, 05:36:16 PM »
footnotes > endnotes

Search the scriptures, and you will find this is true.
Lol +1
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5545 on: November 17, 2017, 06:24:44 PM »
Why We Believe in God(s). A Concise Guide To The Science oF Faith by J. Anderson Thomson with Claire Aukofer, foreword by Richard Dawkins.

It is a short book but very good, it showed me why I still have the urge to believe in a God or Gods, regardless of all the intellectual reasons to not believe in the first place.
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« Reply #5546 on: November 17, 2017, 07:52:37 PM »
Why We Believe in God(s). A Concise Guide To The Science oF Faith by J. Anderson Thomson with Claire Aukofer, foreword by Richard Dawkins.

It is a short book but very good, it showed me why I still have the urge to believe in a God or Gods, regardless of all the intellectual reasons to not believe in the first place.
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« Reply #5547 on: November 17, 2017, 08:45:22 PM »
Finished volume two of the three-volume set:  Jeremiah : a new translation with introduction and commentary / Jack R. Lundbom.

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« Reply #5548 on: November 17, 2017, 09:11:08 PM »
Goodman, M. (2015). Maimonides and the Book That Changed Judaism: Secrets of The Guide for the Perplexed. (R.Y. Sinclair, Trans.). Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: The Jewish Publication Society.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5549 on: November 17, 2017, 11:27:36 PM »
Why We Believe in God(s). A Concise Guide To The Science oF Faith by J. Anderson Thomson with Claire Aukofer, foreword by Richard Dawkins.

It is a short book but very good, it showed me why I still have the urge to believe in a God or Gods, regardless of all the intellectual reasons to not believe in the first place.

Well then that's good.
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« Reply #5550 on: November 17, 2017, 11:28:13 PM »
Finished volume two of the three-volume set:  Jeremiah : a new translation with introduction and commentary / Jack R. Lundbom.

Sounds very interesting. Three volumes? So what's your reaction so far?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5551 on: November 17, 2017, 11:32:04 PM »
Porter, have you picked up DBH's new translation of the NT? I didn't like it at first but I'm slowly warming to it.
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« Reply #5552 on: November 17, 2017, 11:34:06 PM »
Porter, have you picked up DBH's new translation of the NT? I didn't like it at first but I'm slowly warming to it.

Since I consider the man a hack and unstable, no.
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« Reply #5553 on: November 18, 2017, 02:08:03 PM »
Porter, have you picked up DBH's new translation of the NT? I didn't like it at first but I'm slowly warming to it.

Since I consider the man a hack and unstable, no.
I have similar suspicions but why do you consider him a hack?
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"The business of the Christian is nothing else than to be ever preparing for death (μελεπᾷν ἀποθνήσκειν)."

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« Reply #5554 on: November 18, 2017, 06:38:59 PM »
Finished volume two of the three-volume set:  Jeremiah : a new translation with introduction and commentary / Jack R. Lundbom.

Sounds very interesting. Three volumes? So what's your reaction so far?
The author says that anyone undertaking a commentary on Jeremiah has a huge job ahead, and I believe him.  St. Jerome only made it to chapter 32 before he passed on.  Jeremiah is a big book, and there are a lot of questions about how it was put together and of course why the Masoretic text differs from the Septuagint.  It is interesting as to how Jeremiah is put together, and the author points out places that use Chiasmus.  When there are differences between the Masoretic text and Septuagint, the author usually prefers the longer readings.  The shorter readings are usually (but not always) in the Septuagint.  The author attributes most of them to haplography.  Maybe that was the case, but it leaves me wondering if there are other factors involved.  If you want to read more ideas about the differences between the Masoretic texts and Septuagint, I would read McKane or Holladay.
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« Reply #5556 on: November 20, 2017, 02:21:45 AM »
Christ the conqueror of hell : the descent into Hades from an Orthodox perspective / Archbishop Hilarion Alfeyev.

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« Reply #5557 on: November 21, 2017, 02:27:25 PM »
Justin, what are some good texts to start reading Berdayev?
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« Reply #5558 on: November 21, 2017, 03:15:46 PM »
Finished volume two of the three-volume set:  Jeremiah : a new translation with introduction and commentary / Jack R. Lundbom.

Sounds very interesting. Three volumes? So what's your reaction so far?
The author says that anyone undertaking a commentary on Jeremiah has a huge job ahead, and I believe him.  St. Jerome only made it to chapter 32 before he passed on.  Jeremiah is a big book, and there are a lot of questions about how it was put together and of course why the Masoretic text differs from the Septuagint.  It is interesting as to how Jeremiah is put together, and the author points out places that use Chiasmus.  When there are differences between the Masoretic text and Septuagint, the author usually prefers the longer readings.  The shorter readings are usually (but not always) in the Septuagint.  The author attributes most of them to haplography.  Maybe that was the case, but it leaves me wondering if there are other factors involved.  If you want to read more ideas about the differences between the Masoretic texts and Septuagint, I would read McKane or Holladay.

Fascinating. Thank you.
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« Reply #5559 on: November 23, 2017, 04:04:38 AM »
Justin, what are some good texts to start reading Berdayev?

I'm afraid I haven't read nearly enough of him to answer that. There're a couple good sites that provide excerpts, quotes, articles and bibliographies though (such as here and here), and I'd think those would be better at giving some indication of where to start with him, based on what you're looking for. Perhaps there is a 'must read' or 'start here' text with him, but if there is I haven't yet read it or heard it described as such. 

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« Reply #5560 on: November 23, 2017, 09:35:14 PM »
A textual history of the King James Bible / David Norton.

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A textual history of the King James Bible / David Norton.

Excellent!
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« Reply #5562 on: November 30, 2017, 03:16:42 PM »
Three Blind Mice, by Agatha Christie

I must have read this in school, and many other stories like it, but I remember almost none of them  :-X

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« Reply #5563 on: November 30, 2017, 03:51:30 PM »
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« Reply #5568 on: December 05, 2017, 09:48:48 PM »
My holiday reading.  :)


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« Reply #5569 on: December 05, 2017, 09:58:14 PM »
Brown, Dan. (2017). Origin: A Novel. New York, NY: Doubleday.

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Witnessing the Kingdom: Studies in New Testament History and Theology, by Fr. John McGuckin

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5574 on: December 10, 2017, 10:31:07 PM »
Just finished reading Fr. Andrew Damick's "Introduction to God". The conversational style reminds me a bit of C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. Reading it with my family now.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5575 on: December 12, 2017, 02:03:13 AM »
Agatha Christie's first "Poirot".

I generally avoid female authors, however I read one of her later "Poirot's", and it was generally highly satisfactory. I probably won't read her Miss Marples series.

Well.... and I've yet to get into it. It isn't immediately entertaining. Somehow she managed to sell it, however, so I will continue to plod onwards!
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5576 on: December 12, 2017, 02:24:30 AM »
Before that, I read "The Apology of Socrates", by Plato.

I had some thoughts about that, also.
Did Socrates serve God? If so, could Socrates be saved? If so, how was Socrates saved?
These are all very confusing thoughts for a very Old Protestant (I'll be 42 come August 28, 2018.)
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5577 on: December 12, 2017, 10:32:19 AM »
Rich Dad, Poor Dad, by Rober Kiyosaki. The book feels a bit stupid, but I felt I had to read it.

Before that, I read "The Apology of Socrates", by Plato.

I had some thoughts about that, also.
Did Socrates serve God? If so, could Socrates be saved? If so, how was Socrates saved?
These are all very confusing thoughts for a very Old Protestant (I'll be 42 come August 28, 2018.)
Amazing book. I believe Socrates was a very holy man, even though he was far from God's main revelation in Israel. I believe there's a saint who said Plato was the first Pagan to convert in the descent of Christ to Hades.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5578 on: December 13, 2017, 12:15:50 PM »
Do Not Judge: Understanding the Vice of Passing Judgment by Hieromonk Gregorios- a very nice little booklet in his spiritual life series.
Burning Your Boats: The Collected Short Stories by Angela Carter- amazing, sparkling, and really, really dark. A great successor of Poe.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5579 on: December 13, 2017, 12:49:51 PM »
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Do Not Judge: Understanding the Vice of Passing Judgment by Hieromonk Gregorios- a very nice little booklet in his spiritual life series.
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