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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4545 on: June 07, 2015, 03:04:22 PM »
Thomas Mann - Der Tod in Venedig

The writing style is a bit dense and the sentences are too long. Not my cup of tea, but I'll read on.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4546 on: June 10, 2015, 07:35:14 PM »
The new Goodwill store again had some interesting books, including...

- Readings in Sacramental Theology, edited by C. Stephen Sullivan. Catholic essays on the sacraments and related topics (grace, faith, etc.), published at the time of--and in response to--Vatican 2.

- Agape: An Ethical Analysis, by Gene Outka. Semi-academic examination of what role love plays in the ethical thought of various (generally more recent) Catholic and Protestant theologians, such as Kierkegaard, R. Niebuhr, Barth, Tillich, etc.

- The Sacraments of Life and Worship, by Fr. John P. Schanz. Another book on the sacraments from during the time Vatican 2 was going on.

- The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha. Boom.

- Byzantium, by Philip Sherrard (part of the 'Great Ages of Man' series of books). Looks very nice in a picture-heavy, popular-level way.

- Vaccination and Immunisation: Dangers, Delusions and Alternatives (What Every Parent Should Know), by Leon Chaitow. About how 'dangerous' vaccines are, how great homeopathy is, blah blah blah. I bought it just so that I could cut it into 2047 pieces with scissors, douse it in gasoline, set it on fire, throw an m80 on it, then hit it with a sledge hammer at the precise moment it explodes. Or I might just throw it in the garbage. Either way, it will do the world a lot more good in the landfill than it would being read by someone.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4547 on: June 10, 2015, 11:18:05 PM »
The Conferences - St. John Cassian

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4548 on: June 11, 2015, 08:11:28 AM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4549 on: June 11, 2015, 11:25:25 AM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4550 on: June 12, 2015, 04:08:08 AM »
Freedom Regained: The possibility of Free Will

Author: Julian Baggini

I just picked up the book but from the looks of it, Baggini is trying to put forward a version of Free Will against the growing thought of neuroscientists and those like Harris and Dawkins that there isn't any Free Will. There is a nice criticism of Western Christianity within the first 40 pages of the book. If he had known about Eastern Orthodoxy and the theology of Palamas, his reaction might be different instead of presenting Christians as having a sort of dualistic worldview between God and Creation.

The sort of Free Will Baggini seems to be advancing is Compatabilistic. Not one which I would agree with personally but to be fair to Baggini here, he does raise some key issues.

Personally, I take William James "Two Stage model" which is Libertarian in nature and leaves room for some form of synergy between the conscious and unconscious mind, the latter generating possible options unconsciously and the conscious deliberating between them or rejecting them all together.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4551 on: June 14, 2015, 04:29:52 PM »
Just finished "Until the Final Hour: Hitler's Last Secretary" by Traudl Junge, edited by Melissa Mueller. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in history.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4552 on: June 14, 2015, 10:13:05 PM »
Just finished "Until the Final Hour: Hitler's Last Secretary" by Traudl Junge, edited by Melissa Mueller. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in history.

You ever see Downfall?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4553 on: June 14, 2015, 11:28:54 PM »
Freedom Regained: The possibility of Free Will

Author: Julian Baggini

I just picked up the book but from the looks of it, Baggini is trying to put forward a version of Free Will against the growing thought of neuroscientists and those like Harris and Dawkins that there isn't any Free Will. There is a nice criticism of Western Christianity within the first 40 pages of the book. If he had known about Eastern Orthodoxy and the theology of Palamas, his reaction might be different instead of presenting Christians as having a sort of dualistic worldview between God and Creation.

The sort of Free Will Baggini seems to be advancing is Compatabilistic. Not one which I would agree with personally but to be fair to Baggini here, he does raise some key issues.

Personally, I take William James "Two Stage model" which is Libertarian in nature and leaves room for some form of synergy between the conscious and unconscious mind, the latter generating possible options unconsciously and the conscious deliberating between them or rejecting them all together.

H and D are irrelevant. Who are the prestigious neuroscientists that are driving this?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4554 on: June 14, 2015, 11:44:31 PM »
Just finished "Until the Final Hour: Hitler's Last Secretary" by Traudl Junge, edited by Melissa Mueller. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in history.

You ever see Downfall?

Yes! That's what made me want to read it.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4555 on: June 14, 2015, 11:47:29 PM »
I just read the last two chapters of Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ.

He lays out a lot of the kinds of arguments I have heard before, although it's a very good book by a former atheist. One of his key arguments is that the apostles faced persecution for their believes, which proves their sincerity. A problem with this argument is that those who knowingly invented claims in other religions like J.Smith have faced persecution too - in Smith's case being killed.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4556 on: June 14, 2015, 11:52:33 PM »


Is it worth reading beyond the temptation to leave it on the bus and let people get nightmares from the cover?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4557 on: June 14, 2015, 11:55:45 PM »
I just read the last two chapters of Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ.

He lays out a lot of the kinds of arguments I have heard before, although it's a very good book by a former atheist. One of his key arguments is that the apostles faced persecution for their believes, which proves their sincerity. A problem with this argument is that those who knowingly invented claims in other religions like J.Smith have faced persecution too - in Smith's case being killed.

Smith's claims could only be refuted by philologists or archaeologists. If the Apostles were lying then anybody could overturn their claims by locating Christ's body.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4558 on: June 15, 2015, 12:01:45 AM »
Oh, right, locating a (possibly hidden) body using ancient technology in a place the size of New Jersey would be a piece of cake.  :P

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4559 on: June 15, 2015, 03:14:53 AM »


Is it worth reading beyond the temptation to leave it on the bus and let people get nightmares from the cover?

Letting go of it would net me a library fine. Not cool. ;) Plus, it's too much fun - although it requires some interest in both neuroscience and psychosociology.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4560 on: June 15, 2015, 09:01:01 PM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4561 on: June 15, 2015, 09:07:12 PM »

Smith's claims could only be refuted by philologists or archaeologists.
I don't know why you say that. If the Mormons preach that the witnesses saw an angel and held gold plates, and then a witness says the angel had no appearance or shape, and another witness says that he didn't physically hold the plates or see them with his natural eyes, then this refutes for me the belief that the plates were real physical objects!

Yet later Smith showed people plates under a cover without letting them look at the plates themselves or removing the cover. So in that instance, there were physical objects that he was calling plates. For me, that refutes that there were physical plates and that even they had some kind of nonphysical existence that the witnesses experienced.

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Yes, unless... someone stole the body either Friday night before the guards arrived, or from the guards, either when the guards slept or by overpowering them. That is of course assuming that Matthew's story of the guards is even true.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4562 on: June 15, 2015, 09:08:04 PM »

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
Why? He goes over the main arguments.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4563 on: June 16, 2015, 12:24:32 AM »

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
Why? He goes over the main arguments.

He's an evangelical.

Nothing he has that we need.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4564 on: June 16, 2015, 01:15:23 AM »
I am currently reading Why I am Not a Muslim: a New Atheist critique of Islam based on the most critical assessment of Orientalist and Islamic scholarship. It's a good book for anyone who wants an encyclopedia of critiques made against Islam. So, it's handy for me, since I don't like to lodge my brain full of citations of Hadith and the Qur'an, let alone read them.

The case for Christ is a book made by faithless "Christians" who need to use pathetic argumentation and "proofs" in order to convince and assure themselves of the veracity of their faith. If you need pathetic assurances such as those documented in the Case for Christ, you're not fit to be a Christian. I read the book when my faith was weak and I needed a self-esteem boost. That's all it's useful for.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4565 on: June 16, 2015, 01:18:18 AM »

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
Why? He goes over the main arguments.

He's an evangelical.

Nothing he has that we need.
But never criticize Catholicism.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4566 on: June 16, 2015, 01:21:34 AM »
I just read the last two chapters of Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ.

He lays out a lot of the kinds of arguments I have heard before, although it's a very good book by a former atheist. One of his key arguments is that the apostles faced persecution for their believes, which proves their sincerity. A problem with this argument is that those who knowingly invented claims in other religions like J.Smith have faced persecution too - in Smith's case being killed.

Smith's claims could only be refuted by philologists or archaeologists. If the Apostles were lying then anybody could overturn their claims by locating Christ's body.

Exactly. It seems odd that no ancient author attempted to discredit the Apostles in this manner. Neither did they ever deny his existence.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4567 on: June 16, 2015, 10:46:53 AM »

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
Why? He goes over the main arguments.

He's an evangelical.

Nothing he has that we need.
But never criticize Catholicism.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4568 on: June 16, 2015, 11:09:46 AM »
I just read the last two chapters of Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ.

He lays out a lot of the kinds of arguments I have heard before, although it's a very good book by a former atheist. One of his key arguments is that the apostles faced persecution for their believes, which proves their sincerity. A problem with this argument is that those who knowingly invented claims in other religions like J.Smith have faced persecution too - in Smith's case being killed.

True, but Smith wasn't given the option to recant and save his life. He was simply shot, iirc.

Still, people who need arguments for faith miss the point.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4569 on: June 16, 2015, 11:13:34 AM »

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
Why? He goes over the main arguments.

He is an awful human being. I wouldn't give him a tissue if he was covered in snot.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4570 on: June 16, 2015, 11:16:40 AM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4571 on: June 16, 2015, 11:30:04 AM »

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
Why? He goes over the main arguments.

He is an awful human being. I wouldn't give him a tissue if he was covered in snot.
I think he is silly, but I never thought of him as an awful human being. What did he do? Pee in your Cheerios?
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« Reply #4572 on: June 16, 2015, 01:04:57 PM »

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
Why? He goes over the main arguments.

He's an evangelical.

Nothing he has that we need.
But never criticize Catholicism.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4573 on: June 16, 2015, 02:04:24 PM »
I'd like to start a new book but I still have old ones ongoing. I'd like to finish old ones before starting a new one but old ones are booooring. So I can't read old ones nor start a new one.  :'(
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4574 on: June 16, 2015, 05:03:09 PM »

Also, someone calling "the case for Christ" a very good book is making me seriously reconsider my participation on this forum   8)
Why? He goes over the main arguments.

He's an evangelical.

Nothing he has that we need.
But never criticize Catholicism.

Another thing I didn't say. Must be fun for you.

Yes, if by that you mean:

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4575 on: June 16, 2015, 06:48:59 PM »
That's not a quote from me.

Also, since you attributed Antonis' quote to me, and then linked to my entire posting history, your responses make even less sense.

This is a thread about what people are reading. Maybe we should talk about that.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4576 on: June 16, 2015, 07:58:16 PM »
That's not a quote from me.

Also, since you attributed Antonis' quote to me, and then linked to my entire posting history, your responses make even less sense.

This is a thread about what people are reading. Maybe we should talk about that.

No, they make perfect sense.  You just don't get it.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4577 on: June 19, 2015, 01:32:55 PM »
I just read the last two chapters of Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ.

He lays out a lot of the kinds of arguments I have heard before, although it's a very good book by a former atheist. One of his key arguments is that the apostles faced persecution for their believes, which proves their sincerity. A problem with this argument is that those who knowingly invented claims in other religions like J.Smith have faced persecution too - in Smith's case being killed.

Smith's claims could only be refuted by philologists or archaeologists. If the Apostles were lying then anybody could overturn their claims by locating Christ's body.

Exactly. It seems odd that no ancient author attempted to discredit the Apostles in this manner. Neither did they ever deny his existence.
Celsus invented an idea that Jesus was born of a Roman soldier.
Matthew 28 records a rumor among the rabbis' community that the disciples took the body. If the apostles took and hid the body, how likely would it be that someone would find it?

However, the other main features of Jesus' story- that of a Messianic teacher and leader, executed by His political and religious opponents, are easy to believe. It was also common in ancient Judea for religious figures to perform healing rituals, as Josephus records. Jesus certainly existed and is named in numerous texts connected to that era.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4578 on: June 19, 2015, 01:38:56 PM »
Surprised by Christ: My Journey From Judaism to Orthodox Christianity / Fr. A. James Bernstein

I read that, too.  It was a good read, but once you read one conversion story, you seem to have read them all.  There wasn't anything particularly noteworthy, IMHO, but it was still a good read.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4579 on: June 19, 2015, 01:47:19 PM »
I just read the last two chapters of Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ.

He lays out a lot of the kinds of arguments I have heard before, although it's a very good book by a former atheist. One of his key arguments is that the apostles faced persecution for their believes, which proves their sincerity. A problem with this argument is that those who knowingly invented claims in other religions like J.Smith have faced persecution too - in Smith's case being killed.

True, but Smith wasn't given the option to recant and save his life. He was simply shot, iirc.

Still, people who need arguments for faith miss the point.
J.Smith had many chances to leave Mormonism, but he voluntarily chose to go to Nauvoo and get jailed. Nor did he recant when the mob came for him. Granted, there was no moment when the mob said that if he recanted they would let him live.

Likewise, in the case of James and Peter, I am unaware of their killers giving them the option of recanting. In fact, had they recanted, it might not have made much difference, since it could be considered proof that they were fabricators.

I'm sure that many other early Christians were given an option of recanting and that they were very sincere in their faith. However, the only clearly physical appearances of Jesus in the Bible were to two women and eleven disciples, which limits how many people are certain to have known if they experienced real appearances.

As for people needing proof, I think that this is a legitimate need, or else Jesus wouldn't have appeared to Thomas.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4580 on: June 19, 2015, 02:38:05 PM »
"Need proof".
It no longer computes.
What we have has been revealed to us, each.
It would be like "prove you taste strawberries".
I have to wonder if Thomas was a Westerner!  ;)
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« Reply #4581 on: June 19, 2015, 06:31:19 PM »
Freedom Regained: The possibility of Free Will

Author: Julian Baggini

I just picked up the book but from the looks of it, Baggini is trying to put forward a version of Free Will against the growing thought of neuroscientists and those like Harris and Dawkins that there isn't any Free Will. There is a nice criticism of Western Christianity within the first 40 pages of the book. If he had known about Eastern Orthodoxy and the theology of Palamas, his reaction might be different instead of presenting Christians as having a sort of dualistic worldview between God and Creation.

The sort of Free Will Baggini seems to be advancing is Compatabilistic. Not one which I would agree with personally but to be fair to Baggini here, he does raise some key issues.

Personally, I take William James "Two Stage model" which is Libertarian in nature and leaves room for some form of synergy between the conscious and unconscious mind, the latter generating possible options unconsciously and the conscious deliberating between them or rejecting them all together.

H and D are irrelevant. Who are the prestigious neuroscientists that are driving this?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4582 on: June 19, 2015, 09:53:03 PM »
"Meditations on First Philosophy" by Rene Descartes

"LotR: the Two Towers" by JRR Tolkien (took me forever to finish "The Fellowship of the Ring," but I'm reading through the second volume at a reasonable pace)

"The Birth of Christ and the Birth of Man" by Fr. Matta Al-Meskeen

I'm also rereading the four Gospels
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« Reply #4583 on: June 19, 2015, 10:56:02 PM »
Almost finished with "Believing the Lie" by Elizabeth George.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4584 on: June 20, 2015, 12:04:56 AM »
Almost finished with "Believing the Lie" by Elizabeth George.

Good read? About what? Enjoy? Recommend?
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« Reply #4585 on: June 20, 2015, 02:16:22 AM »
It's a mystery about some creepy secrets in a family. It's okay, but not her best. My favorite books of hers are "Careless in Red," "Playing for the Ashes" and "This Body of Death." I'd read those instead of "Believing."
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4586 on: June 23, 2015, 02:44:56 AM »
'The Moviegoer by Walter Percy

Though, I do wish he'd go on and make his point already. I have little interest in New Orleans politics nor do I quite see the point of so much exposition. *sighs* I can be so impatient.

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« Reply #4587 on: June 23, 2015, 07:28:51 AM »
It's a mystery about some creepy secrets in a family. It's okay, but not her best. My favorite books of hers are "Careless in Red," "Playing for the Ashes" and "This Body of Death." I'd read those instead of "Believing."

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« Reply #4588 on: June 24, 2015, 09:03:04 PM »

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #4589 on: June 25, 2015, 02:47:27 AM »
I'm reading  Israel A History. by Martin Gilbert.