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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3465 on: October 29, 2013, 05:57:18 PM »
About the same time I realized I didn't hate Mozart anymore and saw his genius was of an order more wonderful than the old Nazi, I also realized The Tempest was Shakespeare best play.

Ha! I actually hesitated between Lear and The Tempest myself... Lear I have seen at the local theatre when I was very young and it made a lasting impression.  

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3466 on: October 29, 2013, 06:00:02 PM »
Speaking of reading I came across a magnificent line from St. John Perse today.  He sounds at his best like an OT prophet.

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« Reply #3467 on: October 29, 2013, 06:00:07 PM »
i like full fathom five. iirc was put to music by britten?

I am not familiar with Britten's composition, but I look forward to listening to it. I am not expert on Britten, but I enjoy very much what I've heard and seen.
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« Reply #3468 on: October 29, 2013, 06:02:53 PM »
About the same time I realized I didn't hate Mozart anymore and saw his genius was of an order more wonderful than the old Nazi, I also realized The Tempest was Shakespeare best play.

Ha! I actually hesitated between Lear and The Tempest myself... Lear I have seen at the local theatre when I was very young and it made a lasting impression.  

Find yourself a decent production of The Tempest. It is absolutely wonderful. Really, it is the only Shakespeare which I am likely to read again.

Lear anymore just leaves me shrugging. Kurosawa's reworking of it is the best production I've ever seen, if you can call his film that. The "Lear problem" is a difficult one to solve. On stage, it is just annoying.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3469 on: October 29, 2013, 06:13:19 PM »
My feeling on rereading Lear is that, while it has great moments, it is brought down by Shakespeare trying too hard to be clever with the language (in a gongorismo kind of way), resulting in writing which is at times so turgid that even Shakespeare scholars can't figure out what he means. By comparison, say, Hamlet is strikingly lucid and well-paced. And I have to agree with orthonorm that Kurosawa's tackling of Lear is likely the best and an improvement on the original.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3470 on: October 29, 2013, 06:21:01 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3471 on: October 29, 2013, 06:22:19 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.

I really enjoyed the biographical bits. The philosophical discussions (e.g. on time) were a bit tedious for me.

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« Reply #3472 on: October 29, 2013, 06:25:41 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.
true. i read them at a young enough age to be quite uncritical but now, I couldn't. i mean, come on, what sane person would wax so eloquent on the depravity of a bunch of kids stealing some pears

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« Reply #3473 on: October 29, 2013, 06:32:34 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.
true. i read them at a young enough age to be quite uncritical but now, I couldn't. i mean, come on, what sane person would wax so eloquent on the depravity of a bunch of kids stealing some pears

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« Reply #3474 on: October 29, 2013, 06:34:35 PM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3475 on: October 29, 2013, 06:45:53 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.
true. i read them at a young enough age to be quite uncritical but now, I couldn't. i mean, come on, what sane person would wax so eloquent on the depravity of a bunch of kids stealing some pears

He reminds me of Terrence Malick's annoying voiceovers.

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« Reply #3476 on: October 29, 2013, 07:00:24 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.
true. i read them at a young enough age to be quite uncritical but now, I couldn't. i mean, come on, what sane person would wax so eloquent on the depravity of a bunch of kids stealing some pears

He reminds me of Terrence Malick's annoying voiceovers.

But St. Augustine's Latin is never boring.  ;)

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« Reply #3477 on: October 29, 2013, 07:59:00 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.
true. i read them at a young enough age to be quite uncritical but now, I couldn't. i mean, come on, what sane person would wax so eloquent on the depravity of a bunch of kids stealing some pears

He reminds me of Terrence Malick's annoying voiceovers.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3478 on: October 29, 2013, 08:59:40 PM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3479 on: October 29, 2013, 09:29:16 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.

I really enjoyed the biographical bits. The philosophical discussions (e.g. on time) were a bit tedious for me.


I agree. I thought most of the book was great. When he started on the space and time I got lost.


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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3480 on: October 30, 2013, 03:42:02 AM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.
true. i read them at a young enough age to be quite uncritical but now, I couldn't. i mean, come on, what sane person would wax so eloquent on the depravity of a bunch of kids stealing some pears

He reminds me of Terrence Malick's annoying voiceovers.

But St. Augustine's Latin is never boring.  ;)

St. Augustine's Latin is as good, if not better, than Cicero's.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3481 on: October 30, 2013, 06:30:45 AM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.
true. i read them at a young enough age to be quite uncritical but now, I couldn't. i mean, come on, what sane person would wax so eloquent on the depravity of a bunch of kids stealing some pears

He reminds me of Terrence Malick's annoying voiceovers.

But St. Augustine's Latin is never boring.  ;)

St. Augustine's Latin is as good, if not better, than Cicero's.

That's a bit of a hyperbole to say the least.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3482 on: October 30, 2013, 07:48:56 AM »
People of The Lie by M. Scott Peck, MD
http://www.amazon.com/People-Lie-Hope-Healing-Human/dp/0684848597

This is fascinating stuff that hits too close to home, which makes it tough to read. It increases my anger towards those who refuse to listen to the cries of children - whether overt or subtle - in order to continue their uninterrupted lives of narcissistic evil.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3483 on: October 30, 2013, 01:44:45 PM »
Forcing myself to read Augustine's Confessions. What a prig.
true. i read them at a young enough age to be quite uncritical but now, I couldn't. i mean, come on, what sane person would wax so eloquent on the depravity of a bunch of kids stealing some pears

He reminds me of Terrence Malick's annoying voiceovers.

But St. Augustine's Latin is never boring.  ;)

St. Augustine's Latin is as good, if not better, than Cicero's.

That's a bit of a hyperbole to say the least.

It really isn't.  Augustine's Latin has the same fluidity, beauty of language, and rhetorical punch as any Ciceronian oration or treatise.  Cicero was the model by which pupils learned Latin.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3484 on: October 30, 2013, 02:18:17 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3485 on: October 30, 2013, 02:23:38 PM »
It really isn't.  Augustine's Latin has the same fluidity, beauty of language, and rhetorical punch as any Ciceronian oration or treatise.  Cicero was the model by which pupils learned Latin.

I just prefer Cicero's long and elegant sentences. St. Augustine is usually more to the point.

Currently I'm reading Pro Archia and its style is quite different from the sermons of St. Augustine that I read in Latin (admittedly, I only read 4 or 5 of them in Latin)
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3486 on: October 30, 2013, 02:28:19 PM »
It really isn't.  Augustine's Latin has the same fluidity, beauty of language, and rhetorical punch as any Ciceronian oration or treatise.  Cicero was the model by which pupils learned Latin.

I just prefer Cicero's long and elegant sentences. St. Augustine is usually more to the point.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3487 on: October 30, 2013, 02:36:17 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.

Any idea why it is so fast for you? And is it faster for other people as well?

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3488 on: October 30, 2013, 02:53:44 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.

Any idea why it is so fast for you? And is it faster for other people as well?

I think it has to do with the font size-to-page size ratio, which doesn't allow the eye to wander halfway into a line. I first noticed it on the Kindle, and other Kindle users confirm it. I'll have to poll tablet readers as well.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3489 on: October 30, 2013, 02:58:41 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.

Any idea why it is so fast for you? And is it faster for other people as well?

To begin with, it isn't reading.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3490 on: October 30, 2013, 03:36:57 PM »
That's it. I have to give Latin another try.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3491 on: October 30, 2013, 03:59:25 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.

Any idea why it is so fast for you? And is it faster for other people as well?

To begin with, it isn't reading.

I know, I know. I'm just trying to get a grip on what reading from a handheld device is like for people.

I need ammunition.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3492 on: October 30, 2013, 04:01:16 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.

Any idea why it is so fast for you? And is it faster for other people as well?

To begin with, it isn't reading.

I know, I know. I'm just trying to get a grip on what reading from a handheld device is like for people.

I need ammunition.

Thanks, Arachne!

Look at the magazine cover, try Cosmo. It's like that.

Not bad for trotting reference materials or duplicates of stuff you are reading to get an overview when you are away from the text.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3493 on: October 30, 2013, 04:03:35 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.

Any idea why it is so fast for you? And is it faster for other people as well?

To begin with, it isn't reading.

I know, I know. I'm just trying to get a grip on what reading from a handheld device is like for people.

I need ammunition.

Thanks, Arachne!

Look at the magazine cover, try Cosmo. It's like that.

Not bad for trotting reference materials or duplicates of stuff you are reading to get an overview when you are away from the text.

Or copies of stuff you basically have nearly committed to memory to help you think about it also when you don't the material in front of you.

I gave my kindle away.

Really some huge would be awesome for pdfs with real pdf rendering. I would like to be able to roll out a 4' x 6' screen to use to look at stuff.

That would be awesome. I prefer to write on that size surface as well.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3494 on: October 30, 2013, 04:20:55 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.

Any idea why it is so fast for you? And is it faster for other people as well?

To begin with, it isn't reading.

I know, I know. I'm just trying to get a grip on what reading from a handheld device is like for people.

I need ammunition.

Thanks, Arachne!

You're welcome. :) I found that just test-driving devices at the shop doesn't quite match the actual reading experience. Both my devices have seen a lot of work, especially when I'm away from home, and are likely to see even more.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3495 on: October 30, 2013, 04:56:34 PM »
Four days away without the interwebz = 9 books. Reading on the tablet is crazy fast.

Any idea why it is so fast for you? And is it faster for other people as well?

To begin with, it isn't reading.

I know, I know. I'm just trying to get a grip on what reading from a handheld device is like for people.

I need ammunition.

Thanks, Arachne!

Look at the magazine cover, try Cosmo. It's like that.

Not bad for trotting reference materials or duplicates of stuff you are reading to get an overview when you are away from the text.

Or copies of stuff you basically have nearly committed to memory to help you think about it also when you don't the material in front of you.

I gave my kindle away.

Really some huge would be awesome for pdfs with real pdf rendering. I would like to be able to roll out a 4' x 6' screen to use to look at stuff.

That would be awesome. I prefer to write on that size surface as well.

A screen about 10" tall would be good here.

But with texts and even music books, the depth with which I can enter into a book in hard copy is much more than I ever could looking at some flitting digital thing.

I don't know exactly how you read, but I always need to "eat" the book if I really care about it. It is an unalterable lifelong habit that none of my teachers ever understood except one. Stubborn refusal to resort to skimming or Cliff Notes compounded the alleged problem.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3496 on: October 30, 2013, 05:48:24 PM »
Tacitus "Annals of Rome". About Roman butts.  :)

 Seriously that's what I start on tomorrow for class. Doing a Great Books programme. Also been skimming through Caesar's "Gallic Wars" and some other stuff so I can BS my paper on Caesar and why I think he was a good leader.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3497 on: October 30, 2013, 05:50:28 PM »
Tacitus "Annals of Rome". About Roman butts.  :)

To quote my Latin teacher: "Cicero and Caesar are gods, Tacitus is the devil."
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3498 on: October 30, 2013, 06:37:01 PM »
Tacitus "Annals of Rome". About Roman butts.  :)

To quote my Latin teacher: "Cicero and Caesar are gods, Tacitus is the devil."

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3499 on: October 31, 2013, 11:53:29 PM »
Took a time out to read the Legend of Sleepy Hollow this evening.  Through the years, I have heard of the headless horseman on and off but finally got to read the original story tonight -- At least, Washington Irving's rendering of it.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3500 on: November 01, 2013, 01:45:36 AM »
Models of the Church, by Cardinal Avery Dulles.
An Introduction to the New Testament, by Raymond Brown.
Trent: What Happened at the Council, by John O'Malley.
The Reformation: A History, by Diarmaid MacCulloch.
The Sacraments: The Word of God at the Mercy of the Body, by Louis-Marie Chauvet.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3501 on: November 01, 2013, 02:11:25 AM »
Just started KJV with Apocrypha.

The Reformation: A History, by Diarmaid MacCulloch.

I liked MacCulloch's Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years. He's admittedly secular (I think he grew up Catholic though), but he still treats religious subjects with respect (and doesn't hold to the whole "look at these bronze age primitives" outlook).
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3502 on: November 01, 2013, 02:26:44 AM »
The Reformation: A History, by Diarmaid MacCulloch.

I liked MacCulloch's Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years. He's admittedly secular (I think he grew up Catholic though), but he still treats religious subjects with respect (and doesn't hold to the whole "look at these bronze age primitives" outlook).

I haven't read that book before, so there it may be different, but I wouldn't go so far to say that he treats religious subjects with respect. For example, in Reformation he makes potshots about Christians abusing the Jewish religion they inherited by tearing apart their laws into ceremonial/moral/etc. Also throws out transubstantiation as merely an "idea of Aristotle," or something along those lines. Very polemical at times, to say the least.

FWIW, he was raised Anglican which he is no longer, apparently largely over his own homosexuality.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3503 on: November 01, 2013, 02:56:27 AM »
The Reformation: A History, by Diarmaid MacCulloch.

I liked MacCulloch's Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years. He's admittedly secular (I think he grew up Catholic though), but he still treats religious subjects with respect (and doesn't hold to the whole "look at these bronze age primitives" outlook).

I haven't read that book before, so there it may be different, but I wouldn't go so far to say that he treats religious subjects with respect. For example, in Reformation he makes potshots about Christians abusing the Jewish religion they inherited by tearing apart their laws into ceremonial/moral/etc. Also throws out transubstantiation as merely an "idea of Aristotle," or something along those lines. Very polemical at times, to say the least.

FWIW, he was raised Anglican which he is no longer, apparently largely over his own homosexuality.

Ah. It's been a while but I seem to remember him prefacing his work with something along the lines of, "religion doesn't work for me, but I don't completely disregard it as historical accident either."

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3504 on: November 01, 2013, 09:41:28 AM »
Models of the Church, by Cardinal Avery Dulles.
An Introduction to the New Testament, by Raymond Brown.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3505 on: November 01, 2013, 09:58:01 AM »
I Confess One Baptism by Father George Metallinos.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3506 on: November 02, 2013, 03:51:08 AM »
The Pyschopath's Bible

Saw Babalon pop on the other day and sometimes, just once in a while, you want to be part of the choir that is being preached to.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3507 on: November 02, 2013, 12:04:15 PM »
I discovered an obscure Romanian publishing house that edited bilingual volumes of Modern Greek poetry. I was fortunate enough to find several of their books on an antiquarian bookstore online at a very low price: Kavafis (poetry and prose), Kostas Ouranis, Georgios Vafopoulos, Seferis, Yannis Ritsos, Nikos Engonopoulos. I'm still looking for the Kostis Palamas volume.   

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3508 on: November 02, 2013, 01:05:27 PM »
Thelemists are silly. But I did find a rather sane person who compiled a quite nice introduction to Reichian exercises without all the Reichian BS and neoReichian BS and all the people BS who claim him as their own.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #3509 on: November 04, 2013, 11:28:47 AM »
Von Balthasar-Mysterium Paschale. Haven't read a theological book since the last aeon, but this is captivating.