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« Reply #3195 on: August 17, 2013, 01:24:13 PM »

You're just finishing Pelikan and I'm about to start Smiley

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« Reply #3196 on: August 17, 2013, 01:40:42 PM »

Simultaneously, in order of progess (more to less):

More about Boy: Roald Dahl's Tales from Childhood - Roald Dahl
Bread & Water, Wine & Oil - Archimnadrite Meletios Webber
Colonel Roosevelt -  Edmund Morris
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« Reply #3197 on: August 18, 2013, 11:44:59 AM »

Just finished chapter one of the Orthodox Church : an Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture / John Anthony McGuckin.  Even in an introductory work, Orthodox history is complicated. Shocked
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« Reply #3198 on: August 20, 2013, 10:12:24 AM »

Halfway through The Archer's Tale / Harlequin by Bernard Cornwell.  Very good, so far.  I had almost finished it years ago and lost interest.  Much better the second time around.  My problem the first time is that I had read Agincourt first and missed the characters from the other book (who during Crecy wouldn't have been born for a generation or so yet).
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« Reply #3199 on: August 20, 2013, 03:10:59 PM »

The Bible.
A book called "The Essential Writings of Christian Mysticism," edited by Bernard McGinn.
A Game of Thrones (I'm not misnaming the book series, I'm actually only on the first book).

I obviously won't compare the third to the first two with regards to how they've affected me spiritually, since the first two are the Bible and a book of writings by Christians far wiser than myself, while A Song of Ice and Fire is a series of fantasy novels, but I will say that I've seen all three seasons of A Game of Thrones on television so far, and that the arc with Jaime has changed how I see people, and helped me to recognize that no matter how horrible someone may seem from where I've standing, there's most certainly much more to them than that. I think it has helped me to do better with regards to not judging people.
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« Reply #3200 on: August 20, 2013, 03:29:55 PM »

What are some of the general problems you and Aelius Aristides find with Gorgias?

Rhetoric is not ignoble, nor always flattery. It can be a constructive force and a good orator has to be a very educated man, since a demagogue isn't really an orator. Rhetoric really is an art and does require a lot of knowledge, contrary to what Plato thinks. On top of that the Gorgias is hypocritic. Cicero sums it up quite nicely in his De Oratore.

"There were many other famous men besides, highly distinguished in philosophy, by all of whom, with one voice as it were, I observed that the orator was repelled from the government of states, excluded from all learning and knowledge of great affairs, and degraded and thrust down into the courts of justice and petty assemblies, as into a workshop. But I neither assented to those men, nor to the originator of these disputations, and by far the most eloquent of them all, the eminently grave and oratorical Plato; whose Gorgias I then diligently read over at Athens with Charmadas; from which book I conceived the highest admiration of Plato, as he seemed to me to prove himself an eminent orator, even in ridiculing orators.

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For if any one pronounces him to be an orator who can speak fluently only on law in general, or on judicial questions, or before the people, or in the senate, he must yet necessarily grant and allow him a variety of talents; for he cannot treat even of these matters with sufficient skill and accuracy without great attention to all public affairs, nor without a knowledge of laws, customs, and equity, nor without understanding the nature and manners of mankind; and to him who knows these things, without which no one can maintain even the most minute points in judicial pleadings, how much is wanting of the knowledge even of the most important affairs? But if you allow nothing to belong to the orator but to speak aptly, ornately, and copiously, how can he even attain these qualities without that knowledge which you do not allow him? for there can be no true merit in speaking, unless what is said is thoroughly understood by him who says it"


My impression was that Plato did not categorically condemn rhetoric.

Well, this seems pretty damning:

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"Socrates: In my opinion then, Gorgias, the whole of which rhetoric is a part is not an art at all, but the habit of a bold and ready wit, which knows how to manage mankind: this habit I sum up under the word "flattery"; and it appears to me to have many other parts, one of which is cookery, which may seem to be an art, but, as I maintain, is only an experience or routine and not an art: another part is rhetoric [...]"

Polus: I will ask and do you answer? What part of flattery is rhetoric?

Socrates: Will you understand my answer? Rhetoric, according to my view, is the ghost or counterfeit of a part of politics.

Polus: And noble or ignoble?

Socrates: Ignoble, I should say, if I am compelled to answer, for I call what is bad ignoble



I think we can cut Plato a little slack here, recognizing the context in which he was writing. His opponents were generally the Sophists, whose dishonset use of rhetoric was absolutely reprehensible.
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« Reply #3201 on: August 20, 2013, 03:34:26 PM »

A textbook for learning Attic Greek and Aristotle's Politics.

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« Reply #3202 on: August 20, 2013, 03:41:38 PM »

His opponents were generally the Sophists, whose dishonset use of rhetoric was absolutely reprehensible.

I wouldn't say that. Gorgias' extant speeches are wonderful. Plato's contemportary, the sophist Prodicus of Ceos, was even quoted by St. Basil.
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« Reply #3203 on: August 20, 2013, 03:44:47 PM »

His opponents were generally the Sophists, whose dishonset use of rhetoric was absolutely reprehensible.

I wouldn't say that. Gorgias' extant speeches are wonderful. Plato's contemportary, the sophist Prodicus of Ceos, was even quoted by St. Basil.
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« Reply #3204 on: August 20, 2013, 03:45:52 PM »

His opponents were generally the Sophists, whose dishonset use of rhetoric was absolutely reprehensible.

I wouldn't say that. Gorgias' extant speeches are wonderful. Plato's contemportary, the sophist Prodicus of Ceos, was even quoted by St. Basil.
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« Reply #3205 on: August 20, 2013, 05:54:56 PM »

The Bible.
A book called "The Essential Writings of Christian Mysticism," edited by Bernard McGinn.
A Game of Thrones (I'm not misnaming the book series, I'm actually only on the first book).

I obviously won't compare the third to the first two with regards to how they've affected me spiritually, since the first two are the Bible and a book of writings by Christians far wiser than myself, while A Song of Ice and Fire is a series of fantasy novels, but I will say that I've seen all three seasons of A Game of Thrones on television so far, and that the arc with Jaime has changed how I see people, and helped me to recognize that no matter how horrible someone may seem from where I've standing, there's most certainly much more to them than that. I think it has helped me to do better with regards to not judging people.

Jaime is an awesome character for a lot of reasons, but there is one thing about his potrayal in the TV-series I like and which I think all english-speaking people should appreciate. Waldau is able to speak english without the horrible danish accent.  
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« Reply #3206 on: August 20, 2013, 05:57:22 PM »

A textbook for learning Attic Greek and Aristotle's Politics.

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Welcome to the forum. I'm starting to like you already. Is it Mastronarde's textbook?
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« Reply #3207 on: August 20, 2013, 09:22:56 PM »

What Catholics Really Believe – Karl Keating
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Catechism of the Catholic Church

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« Reply #3208 on: August 20, 2013, 09:27:13 PM »

"Cat Trick," Sofie Kelly.
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« Reply #3209 on: August 21, 2013, 05:23:06 AM »

A textbook for learning Attic Greek and Aristotle's Politics.

Daily reading: the Bible and the Philokalia.

Welcome to the forum. I'm starting to like you already. Is it Mastronarde's textbook?

Thank you for the kind words. The textbook is Mouseion by Trudeke Mekking and Hans Oranje; it's Dutch, as that is my first language.
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« Reply #3210 on: August 21, 2013, 05:24:38 AM »

The textbook is Mouseion by Trudeke Mekking and Hans Oranje; it's Dutch, as that is my first language.

Dutch is my first language as well  Smiley

Mouseion was on the list of books I had to buy for my study. It was optional, though.
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« Reply #3211 on: August 21, 2013, 05:34:09 AM »

The textbook is Mouseion by Trudeke Mekking and Hans Oranje; it's Dutch, as that is my first language.

Dutch is my first language as well  Smiley

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« Reply #3212 on: August 21, 2013, 05:36:31 AM »

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« Reply #3213 on: August 21, 2013, 05:48:32 AM »

Cheesy

You always crack me up, Romaios.

Sorry for not providing that translation myself. It's actually a Romanian idiom, "to find one's godfather" (or "godmother"), meaning to find one's match/equal.
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« Reply #3214 on: August 21, 2013, 05:50:37 AM »

Cheesy

You always crack me up, Romaios.

Sorry for not providing that translation myself. It's actually a Romanian idiom, "to find one's godfather" (or "godmother"), meaning to find one's match/equal.

No problemo.

I know, I've been reading up on Romanian. What a mystical language that is, with all those funny accents  Smiley
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« Reply #3215 on: August 21, 2013, 01:37:28 PM »

I'm reading this again:

The Person in the Orthodox Tradition
http://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Tradition-Metropolitan-Nafpaktos-Ierotheos/dp/9607070402

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« Reply #3216 on: August 22, 2013, 03:36:57 PM »

Just finished: Aristotle - Politics
Currently reading: Alexis de Tocqueville - The Old Regime and the Revolution
Next on the list: Kallistos Ware - The Orthodox Way
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« Reply #3217 on: August 22, 2013, 04:06:37 PM »

Next on the list: Kallistos Ware - The Orthodox Way

Do you have the Dutch translation?
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« Reply #3218 on: August 22, 2013, 04:13:21 PM »

Next on the list: Kallistos Ware - The Orthodox Way

Do you have the Dutch translation?

No. I didn't even know there was a Dutch translation. Is it good?
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« Reply #3219 on: August 22, 2013, 04:19:29 PM »

Next on the list: Kallistos Ware - The Orthodox Way

Do you have the Dutch translation?

No. I didn't even know there was a Dutch translation. Is it good?

That's what I was going to ask you. I don't know.
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« Reply #3220 on: August 22, 2013, 04:22:18 PM »

Again...

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« Reply #3221 on: August 23, 2013, 01:30:33 AM »

Everyday Saints
Reading this one in our Wednesday night Bible Study at the Greek Orthodox Church. Great book.
http://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Saints-Other-Stories-ebook/dp/B00AZM6MM8

Augsburg and Constantinople
Three chapters in and I love it so far. Very impressed with the irenic spirit of the discourse on both sides.
http://www.amazon.com/Augsburg-Constantinople-Correspondence-Theologians-Confession/dp/0916586820

The Demonologist
Reading this one slowly. Scary stuff for sure. Ed Warren was approved as a "demonologist" by the Catholic Church, FWIW. However, I have many questions about this subject and how to interpret it from an Orthodox perspective. Namely, are ghosts real or are they merely demonic manifestations? Ed Warren affirms the reality of ghosts as distinguished from demonic spirits. I'm not so sure. I think a good modern examination of the subject from an Orthodox perspective is needed. Of course, St. Athanasius' "Life of St. Anthony" remains the best treatise on the subject of spiritual warfare.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Demonologist-Extraordinary-Career-Lorraine/dp/0595246184

Dorothy Day: Selected Writings
Perhaps my favorite Christian of the 20th century.
http://www.amazon.com/Dorothy-Day-Selected-Writings-Little/dp/1570755817



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« Reply #3222 on: August 23, 2013, 01:58:40 AM »

The First Thousand Years: A Global History of Christianity, by Robert Louis Wilken.
     http://www.amazon.com/The-First-Thousand-Years-Christianity/dp/0300118848/
^Reading this for my Foundations of Church History/Historical Theology course.

Gathered for the Journey: Moral Theology in Catholic Perspective, edited by David Matzko McCarthy & M. Therese Lysaught.
     http://www.amazon.com/Gathered-Journey-Theology-Catholic-Perspective/dp/0802825958
^About to start reading this for my Foundations of Systematic and Moral Theology course.

Theological Oration #4, St. Gregory of Nazianzus
^About to read this for an Early Church reading group I've joined.

Just started the first year of a Masters program... reading a book every week or two for multiple classes is definitely not something I'm used to yet. But hey, at least my Biblical studies professor is a Romanian Orthodox priest!
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« Reply #3223 on: August 26, 2013, 05:14:04 PM »

I'm reading this again:

The Person in the Orthodox Tradition
http://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Tradition-Metropolitan-Nafpaktos-Ierotheos/dp/9607070402



I am reading this for the first time.
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« Reply #3224 on: August 27, 2013, 07:54:27 AM »

The Prayers Card Deck

I'm actually thinking of getting a photo frame, so I can have a card framed on my desk every day.
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« Reply #3225 on: August 30, 2013, 04:59:41 PM »

Western Atheism: A Short History, by James Thrower
The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins
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« Reply #3226 on: August 30, 2013, 05:48:40 PM »

Isabella, by Fiona Mountain.

The holidays are not quite over, so a nice historical romance is just the thing.
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« Reply #3227 on: August 30, 2013, 09:05:01 PM »

I am nearly finished re-reading Fr. Seraphim Rose's: Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future. I am appreciating the book much more than I did when I first read it many years ago.
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« Reply #3228 on: August 30, 2013, 09:47:56 PM »

"Deadly Virtues," Jo Bannister
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« Reply #3229 on: August 30, 2013, 10:52:50 PM »

Vatican II on the Interpretation of Scripture, by Avery Cardinal Dulles
Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation – Dei Verbum
Divino Afflante Spiritu
To Love as God Loves, by Roberta C. Bondi
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« Reply #3230 on: August 31, 2013, 05:52:42 AM »

You're just finishing Pelikan and I'm about to start Smiley



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« Reply #3231 on: August 31, 2013, 05:54:17 AM »

My copy of Mere Churchianity has just arrived. That's coming next.
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« Reply #3232 on: September 03, 2013, 03:11:47 PM »

Just arrived in the mail today, about a week earlier than expected:

Reason, Faith and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate, by Terry Eagleton. From what I can gather Eagleton is a British literary critic who has become a prominent critic of "new atheism," though in this book he also has some criticisms of modern Christianity as well.

Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe, by Erik J. Wielenberg. Apparently it's about what virtue and purpose/meaning would or could look like in a godless universe. I'm hoping that he will address something I've been wondering about concerning the "make your own purpose" argument that many atheists use. Specifically, what do people who are barely eeking out a living do with such an idea? It is meant to inspire, give hope, give direction, give purpose, etc. And that idea sounds fine and dandy to some, especially the mostly middle or upper class westerners who read such arguments. But what about the hundreds of millions (or billions?) of people who are struggling just to get rudimentary medical care, or to acquire bread and clean water? Doesn't have quite the same power to it when the "purpose you make for yourself" amounts to "don't die or watch my family starve today."
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« Reply #3233 on: September 05, 2013, 02:29:17 PM »

To follow up what I said in my last post, Terry Eagleton is apparently British but from an Irish family and spends at least some of his time teaching at an Irish University. His views of religion are an interesting mix of an apparent attraction to some Roman Catholic thought (especially Aquinas), viewing religion and the Gospel through something of a Marxist lens (he seems a staunch Marxist, but his temperament is completely opposite the stereotype about Marxists being belligerently antireligious), and a pick-and-choose approach to the application of certain (one might call them) secular ideals. I disagree with a fair amount of what he says, but I must admit that he actually says some very insightful things about faith and religion. Odd that my faith (or is it hope?) is actually being helped by an atheist writing about religion  Cool

Interestingly, the people he is primarily arguing against, Dawkins and Hitchens, he is far less insightful about. In fact, his entire critique seems to be almost completely based on a mere two books. He also has apparently read at least one book by Dennett, though he is rarely brought up. Sam Harris, Victor Stenger, and other "new atheists" are not even mentioned in passing. He also rarely quotes from Hitchens or Dawkins, but instead gives summations (sometimes vague) of what they are said to believe. And this book has plenty of endnotes, so it's not like that is the reason for the lack of references.

Still, like I said, he says some very interesting things. It is also a very enjoyable text to read... I haven't worked my way this quickly through a book in years.

EDIT--Actually I don't know that he is an atheist, that is just the impression that I get. The jist of his arguments seems to be: there may not be a God, but religion has its positives, and anyway Dawkins and Hitchens are not truly engaging with religion and are merely beating strawmen. Something he has said (I think) three times is that he is against people "buying their atheism on the cheap," or in other words being nonbelievers because they have only been willing to face a weak or easily-refutable version of Christianity or religion, when in his view much better versions of it are out there.
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« Reply #3234 on: September 05, 2013, 02:38:36 PM »

Also picked up at the library...

The Orthodox Way, by Met. Kallistos. I read this earlier this year, so I don't plan on reading through it again. I just need to get some references from it.

How to Read a Novel, by John Sutherland. "Wait, what have I been doing all these years then?" I wondered to myself. I've read, I've read about reading, but have I engaged in deep reading, as they say? Perhaps I'll find out that I've been going about things all wrong!  Cool
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« Reply #3235 on: September 05, 2013, 02:43:39 PM »

'The Cat, the Professor and the Poison' by LeAnn Sweeney.
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« Reply #3236 on: September 06, 2013, 07:23:18 AM »

The Ecclesiazusae by Aristophanes. A comedy about what happens when women seize power.
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« Reply #3237 on: September 06, 2013, 07:43:18 AM »

Game of Thrones, George R.R. Martin;

The Byzantine World, Edited by Paul Stephenson;

A Latin Reader, Harry L Levy
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« Reply #3238 on: September 06, 2013, 07:45:52 AM »

Game of Thrones, George R.R. Martin;

Grim, but masterful.

I'll be picking up A Feast for Crows as soon as the weather turns gloomy enough. Grin
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« Reply #3239 on: September 07, 2013, 09:57:07 AM »

Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis

I read it about 15 years ago, but decided to give it another look. It was one of the books that really convinced me to give Christianity a chance when I was in "seeker" mode.
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