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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2700 on: February 09, 2016, 11:51:18 PM »
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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2701 on: February 10, 2016, 06:26:24 PM »
Am I just being nostalgic or is it just a fact that as far as Disney hand animation is concerned Lion King was the last truly great film?  Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback and Tarzan were OK, but too formulaic with no great music, animation, or story.  The Frog Princess had the perfect idea and setting, and really raised my expectations but it seemed merely above average and kind of rote with no great songs written by someone who should not have written the songs (which is a missed opportunity). The animation didn't seem all too great either.  I think the older stuff had more of a classic Broadway or musical sense to it that the other films don't seem to have.

I get that a couple Disney CGI stuff is top notch, I just miss the hand animation.
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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2702 on: February 10, 2016, 06:35:22 PM »
Am I just being nostalgic or is it just a fact that as far as Disney hand animation is concerned Lion King was the last truly great film?  Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback and Tarzan were OK, but too formulaic with no great music, animation, or story.  The Frog Princess had the perfect idea and setting, and really raised my expectations but it seemed merely above average and kind of rote with no great songs written by someone who should not have written the songs (which is a missed opportunity). 

I get that a couple Disney CGI stuff is top notch, I just miss the hand animation.
Yep exactly. I was browsing Netflix the other night and saw Atlantis was on there (I've never seen it) but I turned it off after 30 seconds. The animation was awful. Disney's direct-to-video sequels were better animated than that crap.

People say Atlantis or Treasure Planet were to blame for the demise of the traditional hand animation Disney flick, but I agree with you I think it was right after Lion King.

Even that said though, watching some of those old Disney movies I knew as a kid haven't aged well.
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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2703 on: February 10, 2016, 06:47:09 PM »
Am I just being nostalgic or is it just a fact that as far as Disney hand animation is concerned Lion King was the last truly great film?  Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback and Tarzan were OK, but too formulaic with no great music, animation, or story.  The Frog Princess had the perfect idea and setting, and really raised my expectations but it seemed merely above average and kind of rote with no great songs written by someone who should not have written the songs (which is a missed opportunity). 

I get that a couple Disney CGI stuff is top notch, I just miss the hand animation.
Yep exactly. I was browsing Netflix the other night and saw Atlantis was on there (I've never seen it) but I turned it off after 30 seconds. The animation was awful. Disney's direct-to-video sequels were better animated than that crap.

People say Atlantis or Treasure Planet were to blame for the demise of the traditional hand animation Disney flick, but I agree with you I think it was right after Lion King.

Even that said though, watching some of those old Disney movies I knew as a kid haven't aged well.

I think it happened with Pocahontas.  I think I remember reading awhile back there was some kind of staff change.  I'm not sure if it's true.  It's interesting to think of what holds up after time.  A lot of 80's / 90's nostalgia does not hold up well.  There was some interesting hand animation though like The Last Unicorn (with the soundtrack done laughably by the folk rock band America),  American Tale, and Secret of Nihm (which was horrifying if you saw that when you 4).  I only think one or two of those might be able to compete with the best of Disney, but they were decent in their own right.

I think since the movie theater was more dominate before the 70's, the quality of those films tend to hold better because there was a higher concentration of talent and things weren't nearly as milked for mass consumerism and production so was there wasn't as much incentive to be ultra conservative and formulaic in order to turn a profit.  Also annoying is I think film companies rely more on celebrity (ex: phil collins writes disney songs, Eddie Murphy does Disney voices) than "unkown" more unique talent that is going to be better with voices, music, directing, etc.  So quality goes down.  It's a conservative mentality because it might be tougher for movies to turn a profit than it was before.  We may have been lucky to see movies like Beauty and the Beast...that may have been a fluke.

Either way, I miss hand drawn movie / musical animation.  I wonder if it's a thing of the past?
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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2704 on: February 10, 2016, 07:08:33 PM »
Many Disney movies (Pocahontas, Mulan, Hercules, Lion King etc.).
Watched Aladdin the other night, sad to say it hasn't aged well. Should have just left that in my childhood

IMO, Alladin is one of the worst Disney's.
I'd like to see a top 10 best Disney movies list from you.

1. The Little Mermaid.
2. Pocahontas.
3. Hercules.
4. The Lion King.
5. The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
6. Frozen.
7. Mulan.
8. Beauty and the Beast.
9. Ratatouille.
10. Tangled.
10.5 Wreck-It Ralph.
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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2705 on: February 10, 2016, 07:13:25 PM »
Many Disney movies (Pocahontas, Mulan, Hercules, Lion King etc.).
Watched Aladdin the other night, sad to say it hasn't aged well. Should have just left that in my childhood

IMO, Alladin is one of the worst Disney's.
I'd like to see a top 10 best Disney movies list from you.

1. The Little Mermaid.
2. Pocahontas.
3. Hercules.
4. The Lion King.
5. The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
6. Frozen.
7. Mulan.
8. Beauty and the Beast.
9. Ratatouille.
10. Tangled.
10.5 Wreck-It Ralph.
10.(6) Wall-E.

1. Little Mermaid
2. Fantasia
3. Aladain
4. Sleeping Beauty
5. Snow White
6. Bambi
7. Cinderella
8. Alice in Wonderland
9. 101 Dalmations
10. Lion King

I'm not throwing in live action or CGI (20,000 Leagues under the Sea and Mary Poppins were amazing though, as was the forgotten The Black Hole).  That's also how I rank it more leaning towards "favorite" than what I consider "best".  If I were to say best, it would be Fantasia, and I don't know if Alice in Wonderland would make the cut, Little Mermaid probably would only scrape the bottom of the top 10.  If I were going by pure favorites I'd drop Snow White and may throw in Sword in the Stone.
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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2706 on: February 10, 2016, 07:26:46 PM »
Am I just being nostalgic or is it just a fact that as far as Disney hand animation is concerned Lion King was the last truly great film?  Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback and Tarzan were OK, but too formulaic with no great music, animation, or story.  The Frog Princess had the perfect idea and setting, and really raised my expectations but it seemed merely above average and kind of rote with no great songs written by someone who should not have written the songs (which is a missed opportunity). 

I get that a couple Disney CGI stuff is top notch, I just miss the hand animation.
Yep exactly. I was browsing Netflix the other night and saw Atlantis was on there (I've never seen it) but I turned it off after 30 seconds. The animation was awful. Disney's direct-to-video sequels were better animated than that crap.

People say Atlantis or Treasure Planet were to blame for the demise of the traditional hand animation Disney flick, but I agree with you I think it was right after Lion King.

Even that said though, watching some of those old Disney movies I knew as a kid haven't aged well.

I think it happened with Pocahontas.  I think I remember reading awhile back there was some kind of staff change.  I'm not sure if it's true.  It's interesting to think of what holds up after time.  A lot of 80's / 90's nostalgia does not hold up well.  There was some interesting hand animation though like The Last Unicorn (with the soundtrack done laughably by the folk rock band America),  American Tale, and Secret of Nihm (which was horrifying if you saw that when you 4).  I only think one or two of those might be able to compete with the best of Disney, but they were decent in their own right.

I think since the movie theater was more dominate before the 70's, the quality of those films tend to hold better because there was a higher concentration of talent and things weren't nearly as milked for mass consumerism and production so was there wasn't as much incentive to be ultra conservative and formulaic in order to turn a profit.  Also annoying is I think film companies rely more on celebrity (ex: phil collins writes disney songs, Eddie Murphy does Disney voices) than "unkown" more unique talent that is going to be better with voices, music, directing, etc.  So quality goes down.  It's a conservative mentality because it might be tougher for movies to turn a profit than it was before.  We may have been lucky to see movies like Beauty and the Beast...that may have been a fluke.

Either way, I miss hand drawn movie / musical animation.  I wonder if it's a thing of the past?
In some respects I'm glad its over but then that Tarantino side of me wanting-to-stockpile-VHS tapes wants to see a big budget production for a hand drawn flick like The Thief and the Cobbler (and finish it for release).

I have no idea what kids are watching these days that aren't Pixar/Dreamworks creations.

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I think since the movie theater was more dominate before the 70's, the quality of those films tend to hold better because there was a higher concentration of talent and things weren't nearly as milked for mass consumerism and production so was there wasn't as much incentive to be ultra conservative and formulaic in order to turn a profit.
I'm not sure I agree with this. I'd say that the quality shifted from traditional animation over to computer animation, I would take a handful of Pixar movies over any Disney movie from the past anyday. Besides Beauty and the Beast, maybe a few when Walt was still around, I just can't think of any Disney movies that rival what Pixar/Dreamworks puts out. It's like how TV shows continue to get better, just look at the past 10 years and compare that to older shows.

I'd rather just keep the stuff I watched as a kid in the past, everytime I revisit something from my youth it ends up being aged garbage.

Also you forgot Studio Ghibli stuff, if that's your thing.
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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2707 on: February 10, 2016, 07:45:04 PM »
I'm not sure I agree with this. I'd say that the quality shifted from traditional animation over to computer animation, I would take a handful of Pixar movies over any Disney movie from the past anyday. Besides Beauty and the Beast, maybe a few when Walt was still around, I just can't think of any Disney movies that rival what Pixar/Dreamworks puts out. It's like how TV shows continue to get better, just look at the past 10 years and compare that to older shows.

I'd rather just keep the stuff I watched as a kid in the past, everytime I revisit something from my youth it ends up being aged garbage.

Also you forgot Studio Ghibli stuff, if that's your thing.


You're right, I over simplified.  I think I was thinking about big budget movies in general.  I think if I were to take my logic, hand drawn talent has to compete with CGI talent which is the dominate form. So hand drawn has a smaller pool of talent and less incentive. But I would say that a lot of stuff I watched as a kid still holds up.  Shows like Animaniacs, Batman, X Men, Justice League, Ren and Stimpy, Rug Rats are great.  Ninja Turtles, Transformers, GI Joe, and 85% of the other stuff is not....but that's probably with most things in most generations.


Personally, I think hand drawn tends to be better.  As far as story telling or artistic merit is concerned I'm not sure the best of Pixar/Dreamworks eclipses old Disney or the best of older hand drawn animation - no doubt that their best are among the best, I just don't think they outright beat them.  We may have to save that debate for another time though. That may be a fun debate to have.

As for television being better now, maybe. I don't watch much television.  I'd have to think about it, that may be a debate for another time too.  No doubt that production value and creative talent are flowing to Television shows at perhaps an unprecedented rate.  I'm not too sure how I asses it though.  Like I said, I don't watch much TV anymore.  I think I can also say that other than Angie Tribeca I don't really like much of the comedy I've seen, but that is a limited perspective and off the cuff remark.  Like I said, that may be a debate for another time.
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Re: What movies are you watching?
« Reply #2708 on: February 10, 2016, 11:21:36 PM »
Just saw Hail, Caesar! on Monday. It wasn't laugh out loud hilarious, but it was enjoyable.

Looking forward to seeing Sing Street when it comes out.
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