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« on: February 25, 2011, 04:34:18 PM »

Of interest is the missionary growth of ROCOR's Western-rite St, Petroc Monastery Missions in the Far East. Notably of interest is the St. Seraphim Mission in Singapore. The Paruchia website refers to  http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/ i St. Seraphim Monastery Mission Singapore, under a Priest Raphael  who
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worshiping in the Armenian Church in Singapore with  worship on the 2nd and 4th Thursdays of the month http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/

It is worthwhile following the link from  http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/ to the St. Seraphim Mission website which appears to not mention the St. Seraphim Mission by name, or ROCOR or the ROCOR Western-rite or the St. Petroc Monastery at all.


Indeed I was confused by what Fr. Raphael means in his liturgy page: http://saintflannan.org/liturgy.html where he writes of a closed private worship group that is not evangelical.  I thought St. Seraphim's Singapore was part of the the Western-rite missionary movement?

Interestingly Father Raphael also uses the name of "Fr. Seamus" (click on the link in the orthodoxwesternrite which takes you to: http://saintflannan.org/.

This site is called "Saint Flannan's Communion" and acknowledges post-Schism Western saints including St Ignatius of Loyola, San Juan de la Cruz (St John of the Cross), and many others. The site also says that it is part of Fides in Adversis Ministries Inc (USA non-profit). which is the successor to St Flannan's Communion.

 Fides in Adversis Ministries has a number of references including: http://celticchurchlist.community.officelive.com/default.aspx which lists Fr. Seamus as the Provincial of St. Flannan, and the ministry as both Celtic, Orthodox and Catholic and a ministry of Fides in Adversis Ministries Inc
 

Also connected is: http://gregorypalamas.org/ an online podcast ministry of Fr. Raphael and  Franciscan Lutheran's claim connection to this Singapore organisation: http://www.osf-lutheran.org/#/partners-in-ministry/4540156322

In all these sites one can find no reference to the mission being under the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia's Western-rite, or indeed the name of St. Seraphim's Monastery Mission. Nor can one find any reference to the superior of the Paruchia. Perhaps since the start of the St. Seraphim Monastery Mission in Singapore the new mission name and details are yet to be loaded to the website, but given that this was a link  from a principal website of ROCOR's Western-rite, to say the least it leaves me with more questions than answers.
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 11:50:58 PM »

Of interest is the missionary growth of ROCOR's Western-rite St, Petroc Monastery Missions in the Far East. Notably of interest is the St. Seraphim Mission in Singapore. The Paruchia website refers to  http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/ i St. Seraphim Monastery Mission Singapore, under a Priest Raphael  who
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worshiping in the Armenian Church in Singapore with  worship on the 2nd and 4th Thursdays of the month http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/

Dear David,  

I think that your message here must have sparked some interest.  I have now received copies of two messages from Bp Jerome and he has replied identically to each enquirer:

> I am not aware of any ROCOR community in Singapore.

> In Christ
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The information conveyed on http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com would seem to require large grains of salt!  It is a shame that there is no community in Singapore but one cannot imagine that the Bishop charged with oversight of Western Rite would not know.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2011, 09:11:30 AM »

Of interest is the missionary growth of ROCOR's Western-rite St, Petroc Monastery Missions in the Far East. Notably of interest is the St. Seraphim Mission in Singapore. The Paruchia website refers to  http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/ i St. Seraphim Monastery Mission Singapore, under a Priest Raphael  who
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worshiping in the Armenian Church in Singapore with  worship on the 2nd and 4th Thursdays of the month http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/

Dear David,  

I think that your message here must have sparked some interest.  I have now received copies of two messages from Bp Jerome and he has replied identically to each enquirer:

> I am not aware of any ROCOR community in Singapore.

> In Christ
> +JRS

The information conveyed on http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com would seem to require large grains of salt!  It is a shame that there is no community in Singapore but one cannot imagine that the Bishop charged with oversight of Western Rite would not know.

Well Father perhaps the Singapore Mission is so new it is not yet regularised?  Maybe the St. Finnan's website is about to be renamed "St. Seraphim of Sarov Mission"? Maybe Fr. Seamus/Fr. Raphael has been received into the ROCOR Western-rite.  I hope the Philipino ROCOR missions do not have the same problems.
http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/  ROCOR has extensive Byzantine rite parishes, monastics and missions throughout Indonesia, worshipping in Indonesian, with many Indonesian priests, monastics, seminarians etc.  Perhaps they will be able to assist the St. Petroc Paruchia in places like Singapore in providing missionary support, albeit in the eastern rite.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2011, 10:34:38 PM »

The website of the Western-rite notes now that this mission is closed and "in abeyance".  The website of the former Singapore mission can be found using the links in the previous posts, although the link from http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/ is no longer there.

I don't know what the situation with those folk, or Fr. Raphael was or is, but it was appropriate that the issues contained in the mission web-link be asked, and it is also appropriate to pray that the St. Seraphim Mission in Singapore be revived in an appropriate fashion, to the glory of God and the Orthodox Church.

Another Singapore Orthodox option is the Ecumenical Patriarchate  mission in Singapore: http://www.orthodoxchurch.sg/Welcome.html
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2011, 12:18:50 AM »

The website of the Western-rite notes now that this mission is closed and "in abeyance".  The website of the former Singapore mission can be found using the links in the previous posts, although the link from http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/ is no longer there.

I don't know what the situation with those folk, or Fr. Raphael was or is, but it was appropriate that the issues contained in the mission web-link be asked, and it is also appropriate to pray that the St. Seraphim Mission in Singapore be revived in an appropriate fashion, to the glory of God and the Orthodox Church.

Another Singapore Orthodox option is the Ecumenical Patriarchate  mission in Singapore: http://www.orthodoxchurch.sg/Welcome.html

The parish priest in Singapore (with the EP) is a most wonderful man, Fr Daniel Toyne (an Archimandrite.)    Fr Daniel is an Englishman from England and an active missionary.

His bishop is Metropolitan Nikitas (Loulias), a Greek American, and he has done extensive missionary work throughout South East Asia both as a missionary priest and now as a bishop.  In New Zealand we are acquainted with him because he was suggested as bishop for our country at one time.


Singapore is fortunate in that it has one Bishop, one Altar.   The people in Singapore are blessed in this unity and I think it is God's will that it not be disrupted.  Unus episcopus, una civitas.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 06:13:16 AM »

His bishop is Metropolitan Nikitas (Loulias), a Greek American, and he has done extensive missionary work throughout South East Asia both as a missionary priest and now as a bishop.  In New Zealand we are acquainted with him because he was suggested as bishop for our country at one time.

I think the current EP Metropolitan of the region is Metropolitan Nektarios (since 2008), while Metropolitan Nikitas is titular Metropolitan of Dardanellia and director of the Patriarch Athenagoras Orthodox Institute in the USA. As such I remember seeing him in the photo of all the bishops of Episcopal Assembly of North and Central America.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2011, 07:49:00 AM »

His bishop is Metropolitan Nikitas (Loulias), a Greek American, and he has done extensive missionary work throughout South East Asia both as a missionary priest and now as a bishop.  In New Zealand we are acquainted with him because he was suggested as bishop for our country at one time.

I think the current EP Metropolitan of the region is Metropolitan Nektarios (since 2008), while Metropolitan Nikitas is titular Metropolitan of Dardanellia and director of the Patriarch Athenagoras Orthodox Institute in the USA. As such I remember seeing him in the photo of all the bishops of Episcopal Assembly of North and Central America.

My fault.  I have not kept up with changes in the region.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2011, 08:22:37 AM »

New missions - whether Western-rite or Eastern-rite clearly require that the role and status of former heterodox clergy be made clear in the new mission.  Because the Singapore WR mission has been shut down, we may never know what the position of Fr. Raphael also known as Fr. Seamus was although his linked website does not appear to be Eastern Orthodox in any sense.

It can be a difficult and painful journey for heterodox clergy in that transition to Orthodoxy but it will be made harder if they maintain any belief in the validity of their previous orders or ecclesiastical situation.  Surely such missions need on the ground canonical Orthodox missionary priests to bring the converting heterodox cleric and people to a grounded position of right belief and right worship.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2011, 01:10:00 AM »

The website of the Western-rite notes now that this mission is closed and "in abeyance".  The website of the former Singapore mission can be found using the links in the previous posts, although the link from http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/south-east-asia-missions/ is no longer there.

I don't know what the situation with those folk, or Fr. Raphael was or is, but it was appropriate that the issues contained in the mission web-link be asked, and it is also appropriate to pray that the St. Seraphim Mission in Singapore be revived in an appropriate fashion, to the glory of God and the Orthodox Church.

Another Singapore Orthodox option is the Ecumenical Patriarchate  mission in Singapore: http://www.orthodoxchurch.sg/Welcome.html

It appears that the whole website is currently under maintenance at http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/  because it effectively has no pages except one on Metropolitan Hilarion and one on Vladyka Jerome. 

So what is now going on in the East of the Paruchia or anywhere else in currently unclear.
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It appears that the whole website is currently under maintenance at http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/  because it effectively has no pages except one on Metropolitan Hilarion and one on Vladyka Jerome. 

I see that the penny still has not dropped in England that Metropolitan Hilarion is just that, a *Metropolitan*.  They still insist on referring to as an Archbishop.  He was elevated from Archbishop to Metropolitan in May 2008.
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It appears that the whole website is currently under maintenance at http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/  because it effectively has no pages except one on Metropolitan Hilarion and one on Vladyka Jerome. 

I see that the penny still has not dropped in England that Metropolitan Hilarion is just that, a *Metropolitan*.  They still insist on referring to as an Archbishop.  He was elevated from Archbishop to Metropolitan in May 2008.
I wondered if the Paruchia of S. Petroc were doing it for missionary reasons.  Most C of E ers don't use the title Metropolitan and use Archbishop for the Archbishop of Canterbury even though his title is also "Metropolitan of All England".  If so it would be better that they said so rather than use the wrong title for the First Hierarch.
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It appears that the whole website is currently under maintenance at http://orthodoxwesternrite.wordpress.com/  because it effectively has no pages except one on Metropolitan Hilarion and one on Vladyka Jerome. 

I see that the penny still has not dropped in England that Metropolitan Hilarion is just that, a *Metropolitan*.  They still insist on referring to as an Archbishop.  He was elevated from Archbishop to Metropolitan in May 2008.
I wondered if the Paruchia of S. Petroc were doing it for missionary reasons.  Most C of E ers don't use the title Metropolitan and use Archbishop for the Archbishop of Canterbury even though his title is also "Metropolitan of All England".  If so it would be better that they said so rather than use the wrong title for the First Hierarch.

I can't read Fr Michael's mind (probably just as well) but most of England thinks the Metropolitan is an underground railway line (the oldest in the world, I think, opening 1860-ish and now runs from Chesham in the NW to Aldgate in the City). I've heard Metropolitan Kallistos say that it was the first thing he thought of when he received news of his elevation Smiley

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...most of England thinks the Metropolitan is an underground railway line (the oldest in the world, I think, opening 1860-ish and now runs from Chesham in the NW to Aldgate in the City).


Indeed, indeed, I've heard that some Londoners believe that the Metropolitan London Police are the Police assigned to protect the Underground from terrorists.  There's a lot of ignorance about.
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...most of England thinks the Metropolitan is an underground railway line (the oldest in the world, I think, opening 1860-ish and now runs from Chesham in the NW to Aldgate in the City).


Indeed, indeed, I've heard that some Londoners believe that the Metropolitan London Police are the Police assigned to protect the Underground from terrorists.  There's a lot of ignorance about.

I don't think it's fair that out of 14 lines the Metropolitan should be the only one with a police force, even if it is more important than an Archbishop, the Northern Line and the Victoria Line should have police too. I use them a lot.
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2011, 07:13:20 AM »

Sister Margaret - railway jokes aside, why doesn't the website use the correct title: Metropolitan of Eastern America and New York, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia?  As Archbishop of Sydney, Australia and New Zealand, Vladyka Hilarion was elevated to the rank of Metropolitan in 2008, and yet in 2011 we see him called an Archbishop? I understand Sister that there is no disrespect I am sure intended, but as you can imagine it simply makes Russian Orthodox people scratch their heads because the change occurred three years ago.
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2011, 10:07:20 AM »

Sister Margaret - railway jokes aside, why doesn't the website use the correct title: Metropolitan of Eastern America and New York, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia?  As Archbishop of Sydney, Australia and New Zealand, Vladyka Hilarion was elevated to the rank of Metropolitan in 2008, and yet in 2011 we see him called an Archbishop? I understand Sister that there is no disrespect I am sure intended, but as you can imagine it simply makes Russian Orthodox people scratch their heads because the change occurred three years ago.

I don’t know, David, I didn’t make that page.
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Interestingly Father Raphael also uses the name of "Fr. Seamus" (click on the link in the orthodoxwesternrite which takes you to: http://saintflannan.org/.

This site is called "Saint Flannan's Communion" and acknowledges post-Schism Western saints including St Ignatius of Loyola, San Juan de la Cruz (St John of the Cross), and many others. The site also says that it is part of Fides in Adversis Ministries Inc (USA non-profit). which is the successor to St Flannan's Communion.

 Fides in Adversis Ministries has a number of references including: http://celticchurchlist.community.officelive.com/default.aspx which lists Fr. Seamus as the Provincial of St. Flannan, and the ministry as both Celtic, Orthodox and Catholic and a ministry of Fides in Adversis Ministries Inc
 

Also connected is: http://gregorypalamas.org/ an online podcast ministry of Fr. Raphael and  Franciscan Lutheran's claim connection to this Singapore organisation: http://www.osf-lutheran.org/#/partners-in-ministry/4540156322

In all these sites one can find no reference to the mission being under the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia's Western-rite, or indeed the name of St. Seraphim's Monastery Mission. Nor can one find any reference to the superior of the Paruchia. Perhaps since the start of the St. Seraphim Monastery Mission in Singapore the new mission name and details are yet to be loaded to the website, but given that this was a link  from a principal website of ROCOR's Western-rite, to say the least it leaves me with more questions than answers.

I am not sure if the Fr Seamus in this self-styled CELTIC-ANABAPTIST Christian site is the person previously associated with the Orthodox WR aspirational community in Singapore using the name " Fr. Raphael" also known as " Fr. Seamus".
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2011, 07:44:22 AM »

The AWRV also has/had such provisional communities (see: http://www.stlukespriory.com/WesternRiteDirectory.html & http://www.saintbenedictmission.com/staff.html and compare with: http://www.antiochian.org/westernritedirectory) and it doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone. Roll Eyes
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