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Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« on: February 25, 2011, 04:10:58 PM »
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Seems to me that Christian News should be properly sourced and verified before posting. This claptrap caused by unsubstantiated rumors of Metropolitan Jonah's supposed forced leave of absence could have been avoided had the original poster treated the matter as real news - not as prurient entertainment unbecoming Orthodox Christians.

Those juicy half-factual stories belong with Bat Boy at the grocery checkout stand.  :P

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 04:20:03 PM »
You act as if we started the internet rumors... ???

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 04:29:03 PM »
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Seems to me that Christian News should be properly sourced and verified before posting. This claptrap caused by unsubstantiated rumors of Metropolitan Jonah's supposed forced leave of absence could have been avoided had the original poster treated the matter as real news - not as prurient entertainment unbecoming Orthodox Christians.

Those juicy half-factual stories belong with Bat Boy at the grocery checkout stand.  :P

With regard to the supposed forced aspect of Met. Jonah's leave, I think your beef is not with us, but with a certain retired bishop who was the source of that information.

I agree, though, that news stories should be appropriately sourced.  Unfortunately, the line between "news" and "commentary" has been inappropriately blurred in contemporary American Orthodox life.  Oftentimes our only news comes from non-objective sources.
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 04:43:15 PM »
You act as if we started the internet rumors... ???
Yeah tell me about it! Your beef is with someone else. Not that it matters, I doubt Reader Patrick will ever post much of anything on this forum anyway he has all of the signs of a "hit and run" poster...

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 04:44:57 PM »
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Seems to me that Christian News should be properly sourced and verified before posting. This claptrap caused by unsubstantiated rumors of Metropolitan Jonah's supposed forced leave of absence could have been avoided had the original poster treated the matter as real news - not as prurient entertainment unbecoming Orthodox Christians.

Those juicy half-factual stories belong with Bat Boy at the grocery checkout stand.  :P

Your statement is worded rather harshly.

     The OP, posted by Irish Hermit said:

     "Isa, what on earth is this?  Bishop Tikhon say that Metropoliatn Jonah has been placed on mandatory leave of absence.  Is it just a joke?
     https://listserv.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/wa-iub.exe?A2=ind1102D&L=ORTHODOX&T=0&F=&S=&P=13719"

Seems to me he was genuinely interested in the facts, not in spreading rumors.  


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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2011, 04:51:29 PM »
The word of an OCA bishop is not gossip.

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 04:53:32 PM »
You act as if we started the internet rumors... ???
Yeah tell me about it! Your beef is with someone else. Not that it matters, I doubt Reader Patrick will ever post much of anything on this forum anyway he has all of the signs of a "hit and run" poster...
Reader Patrick does have a valid point, so please don't be so hard on him. We may not have started the rumors, but we at OC.net have been very active in spreading them, which makes us just as guilty of gossip.
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2011, 06:55:11 PM »
In today's world of rapid, instanteous communication, "official organs" of disseminating information (such as the OCA website) should make at least a brief statement after such meetings (with an assurance of details to follow).  How difficult would it have been to make a terse announcement that Met. JONAH had requested a Temporary Leave of Absence?  My post is purely for the good of the Church; too often we have been left with alternative websites for information.

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2011, 07:04:15 PM »
You act as if we started the internet rumors... ???
Yeah tell me about it! Your beef is with someone else. Not that it matters, I doubt Reader Patrick will ever post much of anything on this forum anyway he has all of the signs of a "hit and run" poster...
Reader Patrick does have a valid point, so please don't be so hard on him. We may not have started the rumors, but we at OC.net have been very active in spreading them, which makes us just as guilty of gossip.
True, and by linking Mark Stokoe's gossip rag, we are only enabling  Mark to scandalize the general public.
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2011, 07:28:29 PM »
In today's world of rapid, instanteous communication, "official organs" of disseminating information (such as the OCA website) should make at least a brief statement after such meetings (with an assurance of details to follow).  How difficult would it have been to make a terse announcement that Met. JONAH had requested a Temporary Leave of Absence?  My post is purely for the good of the Church; too often we have been left with alternative websites for information.
You don't think they did enough quickly enough? They put out an official statement within just a few hours after the rumor broke here. I'd say that was pretty fast. I honestly don't see how it would be realistic for us to expect them to act more quickly than they did.
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2011, 07:32:13 PM »
In today's world of rapid, instanteous communication, "official organs" of disseminating information (such as the OCA website) should make at least a brief statement after such meetings (with an assurance of details to follow).  How difficult would it have been to make a terse announcement that Met. JONAH had requested a Temporary Leave of Absence?  My post is purely for the good of the Church; too often we have been left with alternative websites for information.
You don't think they did enough quickly enough? They put out an official statement within just a few hours after the rumor broke here. I'd say that was pretty fast. I honestly don't see how it would be realistic for us to expect them to act more quickly than they did.

Indeed, the OCA was probably doing damage assessment and getting prior approval before posting the official statement.
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2011, 09:53:31 PM »
In today's world of rapid, instanteous communication, "official organs" of disseminating information (such as the OCA website) should make at least a brief statement after such meetings (with an assurance of details to follow).  How difficult would it have been to make a terse announcement that Met. JONAH had requested a Temporary Leave of Absence?  My post is purely for the good of the Church; too often we have been left with alternative websites for information.
You don't think they did enough quickly enough? They put out an official statement within just a few hours after the rumor broke here. I'd say that was pretty fast. I honestly don't see how it would be realistic for us to expect them to act more quickly than they did.

Indeed, the OCA was probably doing damage assessment and getting prior approval before posting the official statement.

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2011, 11:17:25 PM »
In today's world of rapid, instanteous communication, "official organs" of disseminating information (such as the OCA website) should make at least a brief statement after such meetings (with an assurance of details to follow).  How difficult would it have been to make a terse announcement that Met. JONAH had requested a Temporary Leave of Absence?  My post is purely for the good of the Church; too often we have been left with alternative websites for information.
You don't think they did enough quickly enough? They put out an official statement within just a few hours after the rumor broke here. I'd say that was pretty fast. I honestly don't see how it would be realistic for us to expect them to act more quickly than they did.

Indeed, the OCA was probably doing damage assessment and getting prior approval before posting the official statement.

? ? ?
Make sure they publish the complete story so as to eliminate opportunities for rumor mongers like us to speculate about what might be afoot. I'm sure there is also some legal advice that must be received before publishing such news in order to eliminate any liability for libel.
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2011, 11:27:53 PM »
 ‎"Man has such powers that he can transmit good or evil to his environment. These matters are very delicate. Great care is needed. We need to see everything in a positive frame of mind. We mustn’t think anything evil about others. Even a simple glance or a sigh influences those around us. And even the slightest anger or indignation does harm. We need to have goodness and love in our soul and to transmit these things."

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2011, 02:20:02 AM »
‎"Man has such powers that he can transmit good or evil to his environment. These matters are very delicate. Great care is needed. We need to see everything in a positive frame of mind. We mustn’t think anything evil about others. Even a simple glance or a sigh influences those around us. And even the slightest anger or indignation does harm. We need to have goodness and love in our soul and to transmit these things."

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2011, 02:22:27 AM »
In today's world of rapid, instanteous communication, "official organs" of disseminating information (such as the OCA website) should make at least a brief statement after such meetings (with an assurance of details to follow).  How difficult would it have been to make a terse announcement that Met. JONAH had requested a Temporary Leave of Absence?  My post is purely for the good of the Church; too often we have been left with alternative websites for information.
You don't think they did enough quickly enough? They put out an official statement within just a few hours after the rumor broke here. I'd say that was pretty fast. I honestly don't see how it would be realistic for us to expect them to act more quickly than they did.

Indeed, the OCA was probably doing damage assessment and getting prior approval before posting the official statement.

? ? ?
Make sure they publish the complete story so as to eliminate opportunities for rumor mongers like us to speculate about what might be afoot. I'm sure there is also some legal advice that must be received before publishing such news in order to eliminate any liability for libel.


Exactly. Public statements such as these really should be reviewed by legal council.
In this current environment, the OCA cannot afford to post any statements without legal and spiritual council.
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2011, 05:23:17 AM »
The word of an OCA bishop is not gossip.

Really? Bishops aren't subject to gossip or other sorts of misconduct? (keep in mind this particular Bishop in question is retired)

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2011, 11:58:49 PM »
You act as if we started the internet rumors... ???
Yeah tell me about it! Your beef is with someone else. Not that it matters, I doubt Reader Patrick will ever post much of anything on this forum anyway he has all of the signs of a "hit and run" poster...
Reader Patrick does have a valid point, so please don't be so hard on him. We may not have started the rumors, but we at OC.net have been very active in spreading them, which makes us just as guilty of gossip.

As my priest has said, if someone is gossiping about someone else, we should keep our mouths shut unless we have something positive to say about the person being gossiped about. 

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 12:09:54 AM »
Gossip is more interesting, obviously.
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2011, 02:44:53 AM »
Gossip is more interesting, obviously.

Sin is obviously more enticing than following the straight narrow way.

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2011, 07:18:18 AM »
As my priest has said, if someone is gossiping about someone else, we should keep our mouths shut unless we have something positive to say about the person being gossiped about. 
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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2011, 08:21:00 PM »
In today's world of rapid, instanteous communication, "official organs" of disseminating information (such as the OCA website) should make at least a brief statement after such meetings (with an assurance of details to follow).  How difficult would it have been to make a terse announcement that Met. JONAH had requested a Temporary Leave of Absence?  My post is purely for the good of the Church; too often we have been left with alternative websites for information.

I think it just felt longer because we were all hitting refresh on OC.net, OCANews and the OCA website for a few hours while we waited for the official report. We wouldn't have noticed the lag if we weren't on the net at the time :)

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2011, 01:30:14 AM »
How difficult would it have been to make a terse announcement that Met. JONAH had requested a Temporary Leave of Absence?

Because a terse announcement like that would have unduly raised people's suspicions about Met. Jonah's conduct.  The OCA got the full announcement online within a day of the retreat ending, and only two or three hours after OCANews picked up the story from Romfea.  Considering the OCA website's track record of being slower than molasses in Antarctica in July, I think they did pretty well.
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 02:12:49 AM »
I am actually refreshed by the spirited defense here.  However, when I said a "terse statement", I did not just mean "Temporary Leave of Absence".  I meant that along with a short explaination such as the one given in the eventual official communique.  Furthermore, sixteen hours is a long time in the cyber-news cycle of today.  But my hunch is that alot was going on behind the scenes related to this whole thing, and that for the good of the Church the delay occured.  I stand possibly corrected; time will tell of the true nature of this leave of absence.  Whatever the case, I pray that clarity and healing comes to all of us who are affected by this.

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2011, 06:04:32 AM »
Do we "need" to know the "true" nature of his leave of absence?  To me, there is a big difference between "needing" to know and "wanting" to know.  Transparency doesn't mean that I have the right to know anything I "want" to know.  Even the Metropolitan has some right to privacy.  There is a time to be silent and there is a time for speaking.  Maybe it is not the time for speaking yet--maybe it is the time to still be silent.

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Re: Christian News, or "Christian" Gossip?
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2011, 06:07:00 AM »
Thank everyone for their charitable responses. The American press abandoned journalistic standards many years ago, and broadcast and cable news became subsets of the entertainment industry. My hope is that the Orthodox community will take note and hold to a higher standard in future.  

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2011, 12:53:00 PM »
I am actually refreshed by the spirited defense here.  However, when I said a "terse statement", I did not just mean "Temporary Leave of Absence".  I meant that along with a short explaination such as the one given in the eventual official communique.  Furthermore, sixteen hours is a long time in the cyber-news cycle of today.  But my hunch is that alot was going on behind the scenes related to this whole thing, and that for the good of the Church the delay occured.  I stand possibly corrected; time will tell of the true nature of this leave of absence.  Whatever the case, I pray that clarity and healing comes to all of us who are affected by this.

I get what you're saying, but in all honesty, if the OCA had posted anything terse like you describe, the very first thing I would have thought is that we had another Archbishop Seraphim on our hands.  Even with subsequent expansion of the story (Met. Jonah's retreat was negotiated in the normal course of the synod meeting without any suspicion of moral depravity on the metropolitan's part), it would have been very difficult to dissuade me from that initial perception.  

I think I would be considered fairly loyal to Met. Jonah, so imagine what his detractors would have done with it.
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