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Kourbania and Anastenaria
« on: June 09, 2011, 03:55:52 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastenaria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kourbania

Is this kind of thing condoned by the Greek Orthodox church?

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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2011, 06:32:22 AM »
Christ is ascended!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastenaria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kourbania

Is this kind of thing condoned by the Greek Orthodox church?

No, but it happens.  The sacrifices are known in the Middle East among the Arab Orthodox, btw. Somewhere we have a thread on that and on the Armenian practice.
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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2011, 06:39:40 AM »
No, but it happens.  The sacrifices are known in the Middle East among the Arab Orthodox, btw. Somewhere we have a thread on that and on the Armenian practice.

It seems to be christianized pagan sacrifice - would such a thing be considered a sin to engage in?

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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2011, 04:37:37 PM »
Where do you draw the line between blessing an animal to be eaten in a celebratory feast and an animal sacrifice?
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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2011, 04:40:52 PM »
I have to admit, when I first read about that anastenaria, I thought "cool!"
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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2011, 04:43:06 PM »
I have to admit, when I first read about that anastenaria, I thought "cool!"
When I saw the word Kourbania I thought it was gonna be cool, as well.
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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2011, 05:39:44 PM »
No, but it happens.  The sacrifices are known in the Middle East among the Arab Orthodox, btw. Somewhere we have a thread on that and on the Armenian practice.

It seems to be christianized pagan sacrifice - would such a thing be considered a sin to engage in?
Depends on the intent and the prayers said (I've never been).  We bless food before we eat it, and we're supposed to share. What would be the difference of blessing an animal for sacrifice and giving it out as alms (which is what happens).
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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2011, 05:47:20 PM »
If it's a sacrifice as atonement for sin or to gain favors from God or the saints, then I'd say it's pagan.

Otherwise, it's a blessed meal.

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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2011, 10:29:12 AM »
Christ is ascended!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastenaria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kourbania

Is this kind of thing condoned by the Greek Orthodox church?

No, but it happens.  The sacrifices are known in the Middle East among the Arab Orthodox, btw. Somewhere we have a thread on that and on the Armenian practice.
Interesting. I have never heard of the first one but the second definitely describes an ancient, pre-Christian pagan practise found all around the Black Sea shores, and still done in the Mingrelian regions (north in Georgia, south in the Laz parts of Turkey). Presumably the Armenian is related or in fact the same thing.
No, not condoned, just done by simpler people from our perspective.
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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2011, 09:45:27 AM »
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Interesting. I have never heard of the first one but the second definitely describes an ancient, pre-Christian pagan practise found all around the Black Sea shores, and still done in the Mingrelian regions (north in Georgia, south in the Laz parts of Turkey). Presumably the Armenian is related or in fact the same thing.
No, not condoned, just done by simpler people from our perspective.

I guess if it was done in ignorance then it probably would be ok.

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Re: Kourbania and Anastenaria
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2011, 10:31:01 AM »
If it's a sacrifice as atonement for sin or to gain favors from God or the saints, then I'd say it's pagan.

Otherwise, it's a blessed meal.

*sees augustin in the thread watchers*

Ah, we'll get the correct explanation soon.  :police:
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