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For example, do Western Rite Orthodox Churches that follow the Old Calendar celebrate Western Christmas traditions on January 7, like singing traditional Western Christmas songs, like "Hark the Herald Angels Sing". Is there any Western Rite Orthodox Christian that celebrates Chessefare week in the style of Mardi Gras. I wonder if there is any Western Rite Orthodox Church that Westernizes the style of important dates of the Orthodox Calendar because Greeks and Russians respectively have their own different customs for a certain day.

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I've seem texts of Christmas Spanish carols (e.g Los peces en el rio) used be Eastern rite Orthodox Mexicans.
Well, I think that Western elements are present also among EOs.
It applies for Polish carols used in the Polish Orthodox Church, we also bless candles on the 2nd of February (well, I knwo that this custom is present not only among Latins, but also in the Syriac Orthodox Church, however in our case it's something from the Western world). I've heard some Polish Orthodox on the Epiphany feast have blessed not only water, but also the chalk to write a cross on the doors. And so on.
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For example, do Western Rite Orthodox Churches that follow the Old Calendar celebrate Western Christmas traditions on January 7, like singing traditional Western Christmas songs, like "Hark the Herald Angels Sing". Is there any Western Rite Orthodox Christian that celebrates Chessefare week in the style of Mardi Gras. I wonder if there is any Western Rite Orthodox Church that Westernizes the style of important dates of the Orthodox Calendar because Greeks and Russians respectively have their own different customs for a certain day.

As far as church music is concerned I would expect most use the 1940 Episcopal Hymnal.

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Presumably Western Rite churches should be following, as much as possible, whatever Latin-rite traditions are traditionally prescribed for a given feast. Importing Byzantine material undermines the whole idea of the Western rite. Of course Byzantinization is a real, pervasive problem in WRO from what I gather.

Regarding carols like "Hark the Herald Angels" (an 18th century Methodist hymn, BTW... not exactly traditional from an Orthodox POV) I imagine they are sung too, though I'm not sure if they would fit in the liturgy proper. Even Eastern rite churches in the US will sing some of these Western carols after the liturgy. 
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Presumably Western Rite churches should be following, as much as possible, whatever Latin-rite traditions are traditionally prescribed for a given feast. Importing Byzantine material undermines the whole idea of the Western rite. Of course Byzantinization is a real, pervasive problem in WRO from what I gather.

Regarding carols like "Hark the Herald Angels" (an 18th century Methodist hymn, BTW... not exactly traditional from an Orthodox POV) I imagine they are sung too, though I'm not sure if they would fit in the liturgy proper. Even Eastern rite churches in the US will sing some of these Western carols after the liturgy.

I don't see a problem with healthy "cultural appropriation" of a sort. Just as long as they retain their distinctives.

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It's not cultural appropriation so much as inferiority complex. The underlying, unspoken assumption is that Byzantinism is the default Orthodox cultural expression and superior to anything else. This is manifested most officially in the unnecessary insertion of the Byzantine epiclesis to the Roman canon.
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Regarding carols like "Hark the Herald Angels" (an 18th century Methodist hymn, BTW... not exactly traditional from an Orthodox POV) I imagine they are sung too, though I'm not sure if they would fit in the liturgy proper.

Technically it isn't a carol, but be that as it may, there would be entrance and recessional hymns, a hymn at the gospel, a hymn or anthem at the offertory, and hymns sung during communion, at least when following the Anglican-derived rite. The Roman version, for arch-trads, would have the same musical elements but would tend to substitute various medieval chants for congregational singing.